The Oldham Insider Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Yet again Latics Chairman, Simon Corney, after coming under pressure from fans, puts out a passive aggressive interview, where he points the finger of blame onto a whole list of others for the clubs sorry predicament a predicament that he plays down at the same time. Seemingly, its no biggie to Simon that the club, festering in the relegation zone of League One, are under a transfer embargo, in the same way it was all cool when the club were frequently paying wages late in the recent past. Everyone does it; its the way football works. Hes just sorry everyone found out. Hes got a HMRC bill to think about but itll be fine because, well, it always is. Of course, Rochdale taking action was steeped in malice and probably related to Calvin Andrews suspension for his assault and battery of Peter Clarke. It couldnt possibly be that they just want paying what theyre entitled to. He also made accusatory noises about the local media, who, as far as I can see, have been kinder to him that they might have been. Im struggling to see that anything has been printed which doesnt appear to have sound basis. Worst of all, he listed usernames of his critics on OWTB and called them out in a come and say it to my face style, all dressed up as a demonstration that he has nothing to hide. But thats not true. Is it, Simon? If those people were to accept your invitation, would you answer every question fully and honestly? What if they were to ask you to talk about the specific mistakes youve made as the clubs Chairman? How about if they asked how many other clubs Latics owe for ticket sales, like they do Rochdale? And how about unpaid fees relating to current loan players? What made Joy look for employment elsewhere and Anna Kocerhan depart very shortly after? Was it in any way related to the manner in which you have been running the club? Would you say a disproportionate number of players at Latics are represented by certain agents? How would you describe your relationship with those particular agents? How are your personal finances? Sorry, none of my business. Unless, that is, theyve become entwined in the clubs business. Have you ever taken out personal borrowings against the club? Ever paid personal debts with club money? Its been a busy few months, with the season ticket offer, Sheridan leaving for a League Two club, a winding up order, the whole squad being replaced, an entire new backroom room staff recruited and a new season having got underway. Presumably the Board of Directors have held frequent meetings to preside over these things? When was the last meeting of the Board of Directors? Why have the great Barry Owen and the Estate Agent been absent from the Directors Box at recent fixtures? Hows your relationship with Simon Blitz these days? Does he still want you at the club? After all, its still his, isnt it? If youre going to put out another interview to turn peoples attention elsewhere, try to look a bit more convincing. ~ I have known a vast quantity of nonsense talked about bad men not looking you in the face. Don't trust that conventional idea. Dishonesty will stare honesty out of countenance any day in the week, if there is anything to be got by it. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Oh good another thread about this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Go and ask him yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Yet again Latics Chairman, Simon Corney, after coming under pressure from fans, puts out a passive aggressive interview, where he points the finger of blame onto a whole list of others for the clubs sorry predicament a predicament that he plays down at the same time. Seemingly, its no biggie to Simon that the club, festering in the relegation zone of League One, are under a transfer embargo, in the same way it was all cool when the club were frequently paying wages late in the recent past. Everyone does it; its the way football works. Hes just sorry everyone found out. Hes got a HMRC bill to think about but itll be fine because, well, it always is. Of course, Rochdale taking action was steeped in malice and probably related to Calvin Andrews suspension for his assault and battery of Peter Clarke. It couldnt possibly be that they just want paying what theyre entitled to. He also made accusatory noises about the local media, who, as far as I can see, have been kinder to him that they might have been. Im struggling to see that anything has been printed which doesnt appear to have sound basis. Worst of all, he listed usernames of his critics on OWTB and called them out in a come and say it to my face style, all dressed up as a demonstration that he has nothing to hide. But thats not true. Is it, Simon? If those people were to accept your invitation, would you answer every question fully and honestly? What if they were to ask you to talk about the specific mistakes youve made as the clubs Chairman? How about if they asked how many other clubs Latics owe for ticket sales, like they do Rochdale? And how about unpaid fees relating to current loan players? What made Joy look for employment elsewhere and Anna Kocerhan depart very shortly after? Was it in any way related to the manner in which you have been running the club? Would you say a disproportionate number of players at Latics are represented by certain agents? How would you describe your relationship with those particular agents? How are your personal finances? Sorry, none of my business. Unless, that is, theyve become entwined in the clubs business. Have you ever taken out personal borrowings against the club? Ever paid personal debts with club money? Its been a busy few months, with the season ticket offer, Sheridan leaving for a League Two club, a winding up order, the whole squad being replaced, an entire new backroom room staff recruited and a new season having got underway. Presumably the Board of Directors have held frequent meetings to preside over these things? When was the last meeting of the Board of Directors? Why have the great Barry Owen and the Estate Agent been absent from the Directors Box at recent fixtures? Hows your relationship with Simon Blitz these days? Does he still want you at the club? After all, its still his, isnt it? If youre going to put out another interview to turn peoples attention elsewhere, try to look a bit more convincing. ~ I have known a vast quantity of nonsense talked about bad men not looking you in the face. Don't trust that conventional idea. Dishonesty will stare honesty out of countenance any day in the week, if there is anything to be got by it. ~ Lots of assumptions, you also have an invite. Ask. Or will you bottle it too. He's already addressed the relegation issue and the mistakes issue. Seriously, there are some good questions that need asking direct. Just do it. Between us all, I am sure we can get some probing questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Have you ever taken out personal borrowings against the club? Ever paid personal debts with club money? That is quite a thing to throw in the middle of all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 This is your opportunity to ask him or at least pass your questions on to nonaenever who has volunteered to ask anything on our behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 That is quite a thing to throw in the middle of all that Yeah isn't that illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piglinbland Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Yet again Latics Chairman, Simon Corney, after coming under pressure from fans, puts out a passive aggressive interview, where he points the finger of blame onto a whole list of others for the clubs sorry predicament a predicament that he plays down at the same time. Seemingly, its no biggie to Simon that the club, festering in the relegation zone of League One, are under a transfer embargo, in the same way it was all cool when the club were frequently paying wages late in the recent past. Everyone does it; its the way football works. Hes just sorry everyone found out. Hes got a HMRC bill to think about but itll be fine because, well, it always is. Of course, Rochdale taking action was steeped in malice and probably related to Calvin Andrews suspension for his assault and battery of Peter Clarke. It couldnt possibly be that they just want paying what theyre entitled to. He also made accusatory noises about the local media, who, as far as I can see, have been kinder to him that they might have been. Im struggling to see that anything has been printed which doesnt appear to have sound basis. Worst of all, he listed usernames of his critics on OWTB and called them out in a come and say it to my face style, all dressed up as a demonstration that he has nothing to hide. But thats not true. Is it, Simon? If those people were to accept your invitation, would you answer every question fully and honestly? What if they were to ask you to talk about the specific mistakes youve made as the clubs Chairman? How about if they asked how many other clubs Latics owe for ticket sales, like they do Rochdale? And how about unpaid fees relating to current loan players? What made Joy look for employment elsewhere and Anna Kocerhan depart very shortly after? Was it in any way related to the manner in which you have been running the club? Would you say a disproportionate number of players at Latics are represented by certain agents? How would you describe your relationship with those particular agents? How are your personal finances? Sorry, none of my business. Unless, that is, theyve become entwined in the clubs business. Have you ever taken out personal borrowings against the club? Ever paid personal debts with club money? Its been a busy few months, with the season ticket offer, Sheridan leaving for a League Two club, a winding up order, the whole squad being replaced, an entire new backroom room staff recruited and a new season having got underway. Presumably the Board of Directors have held frequent meetings to preside over these things? When was the last meeting of the Board of Directors? Why have the great Barry Owen and the Estate Agent been absent from the Directors Box at recent fixtures? Hows your relationship with Simon Blitz these days? Does he still want you at the club? After all, its still his, isnt it? If youre going to put out another interview to turn peoples attention elsewhere, try to look a bit more convincing. ~ I have known a vast quantity of nonsense talked about bad men not looking you in the face. Don't trust that conventional idea. Dishonesty will stare honesty out of countenance any day in the week, if there is anything to be got by it. ~ I know that the internet allows a certain social mobility which was previously unavailable, but sometimes there are more apt channels of communication. For example, have you reported to the police your allegations of misappropriation of funds? If true, the incumbent chairman would be relieved of his duties rapidly, which is what you want. Or, you could write to local MP Jim McMahon. He has a duty to hear your concerns and would presumable be in a position to advise as to the current precarious state of the club and any eventual malpractice. He has, of course, during his time as council leader, dealt intimately with the club. If, on reflection, you think the club is merely poorly run, why not become a director? I'm fairly certain a donation of £100,000 would do the trick. Or if you've a bit more spare cash hanging around, you could make an outright offer for the club - you never know - and that way you could demonstrate how blindingly easy it is to run a League 1 outfit and we could all enjoy subsequent promotion to the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I know that the internet allows a certain social mobility which was previously unavailable, but sometimes there are more apt channels of communication. For example, have you reported to the police your allegations of misappropriation of funds? If true, the incumbent chairman would be relieved of his duties rapidly, which is what you want. Or, you could write to local MP Jim McMahon. He has a duty to hear your concerns and would presumable be in a position to advise as to the current precarious state of the club and any eventual malpractice. He has, of course, during his time as council leader, dealt intimately with the club. If, on reflection, you think the club is merely poorly run, why not become a director? I'm fairly certain a donation of £100,000 would do the trick. Or if you've a bit more spare cash hanging around, you could make an outright offer for the club - you never know - and that way you could demonstrate how blindingly easy it is to run a League 1 outfit and we could all enjoy subsequent promotion to the Championship. Why would the police or an MP be interested in how the main shareholder of a business distributes revenue? Stop :censored: stirring and trying to turn the questions into something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Why would the police or an MP be interested in how the main shareholder of a business distributes revenue? Stop :censored: stirring and trying to turn the questions into something else? If there is an election around the corner MP will use football clubs or campaign against them if it helps then win votes. If there was any truth in fraud or Money Laundering mainly abroad the police are right on to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbright12 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 The questions that need to be asked, are the ones which are going to hold him accountable 100%. Such as the SportsDirect sponsorship deal which was said to have plunged us into the top half of the table in terms of budget, where has the money actually gone. Furthermore, questions concerning the Lancaster club which was resold to Oldham Council for 5.5 million and the 700,000 grant we received on top of it, where has that money gone. Also, the profits made from other land sold, such as the Clayton which is now the housings and the other carpark which is now owned by the hospital, million-pound deals vanished into thin air. And finally, what is the deal with the new stand, as it seem extremely strange to me that you can build a stand, register it as a completely separate company (oec) and then put yourself, along with Blitz and Gazal (who supposedly have nothing to do with us anymore) as directors. The questions you have suggested at the top are open ended and would be very easy to get out off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 What next, SC and the disgruntled fans on the Jeremy Kyle show ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 There are some decent questions to be asked, don't get me wrong, but 90% of the time the questions are preceeded and followed by such utter horse :censored: I can't take people seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbright12 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 By the way, the questions i have posted, are actually backed up by facts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 By the way, the questions i have posted, are actually backed up by facts... Wasn't aimed at any one person in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) By the way, the questions i have posted, are actually backed up by facts...Apart from implying they trousered 5.5m AND 700kThe club spent 5m on Failsworth but we're give 5.7m back. The 700k was in lieu if being sued but saving the club legal costs. I don't know the figures but it's post half the income from the housing went on build costs and fees. Much of that funded the North Stand I expect, though not the full amount of obviously. Details would be nice, but I suspect you think they made. Millions from those transactions. Edited November 23, 2016 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) They did "trouser" part of the money... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/oldham-athletic-seal-57m-deal-867028.amp?client=safari Edited November 23, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbright12 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) Apart from implying they trousered 5.5m AND 700k The club spent 5m on Failsworth but we're give 5.7m back. The 700k was in lieu if being sued but saving the club legal costs. I don't know the figures but it's post half the income from the housing went on build costs and fees. Much of that funded the North Stand I expect, though not the full amount of obviously. Details would be nice, but I suspect you think they made. Millions from those transactions. So adding that together obviously equals 900k that has gone nowhere, well nowhere visible. And nowhere, not even in the article does it state the 700k was for the saving of legal costs, so I doubt that is true. Land deals, especially to the NHS would of been worth millions, and fair enough some went to the stand, but I highly doubt 100% of the profit did. So the question remains where did the money go? And, say the profits did go to the stand, where in the world did the Sports Direct sponsorship money disappear too? The money which was explicitly stated to go towards to budget. **To add to what I put, going from the MEN article above, only SOME of the 5.7 million went towards to stand, to where did the rest go? Because it 100% did not go towards to budget, nor long term investment** Edited November 23, 2016 by Danbright12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 And you implications are wrong also... They did "trouser" part of the money... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/oldham-athletic-seal-57m-deal-867028.amp?client=safari Come on Ross, paying back some of a debt just isn't the same thing as trousering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 DanNotSo12 why don't you go and ask to see the books then. You've been told they're open for you to look at. Go and ask these questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbright12 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 DanNotSo12 why don't you go and ask to see the books then. You've been told they're open for you to look at. Go and ask these questions. Evidently someone doesn't like genuine facts being put out there. Give me a chance, he only did his presser yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Come on Ross, paying back some of a debt just isn't the same thing as trousering Hence why I put trousering in speech marks. Not the word I would choose. It was an inflammatory word Singe decided to use to spice up the original posters comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piglinbland Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Maybe there is a simpler explanation for the 'missing cash' - that day to day running costs far outstrip income and monies such as the Sports direct sponsorship are used to plug the haemorrhage? A far from perfect business model, but pretty much standard practice these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbright12 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Maybe there is a simpler explanation for the 'missing cash' - that day to day running costs far outstrip income and monies such as the Sports direct sponsorship are used to plug the haemorrhage? A far from perfect business model, but pretty much standard practice these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 My guess on the Sports Direct income being lower than hoped is that: 1) It was delayed a year 2) The shop is invariably quiet 3) The click bait income from internet links is nowhere near the thresholds needed Guess. Not knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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