OAFC_ULTRA Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Rochdale man shot before Englands game with Kazakhstan http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-New...inst_Kazakhstan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 pi$$ the locals off with your "ingerlund" attitude,thats what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellys_discopants Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 pi$$ the locals off with your "ingerlund" attitude,thats what happens. I`m sorry, i wasnt aware you were there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I`m sorry, i wasnt aware you were there! No, but it appears he has the ability to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 No, but it appears he has the ability to read. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellys_discopants Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 No, but it appears he has the ability to read. Well done Sherlock! My point was that we have no real idea what happened, the media loves to make the England fans out as the bad guys in these situations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardlelatic Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 pi$$ the locals off with your "ingerlund" attitude,thats what happens. thats out of order Johnny ! After spain in Feb i know all too well that there things happen if your in the wrong place at the wrong time ! If its the dale fan i know from away games then it wont be because of attitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellys_discopants Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 thats out of order Johnny ! After spain in Feb i know all too well that there things happen if your in the wrong place at the wrong time ! Thank you! Well said ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 thats out of order Johnny ! After spain in Feb i know all too well that there things happen if your in the wrong place at the wrong time ! If its the dale fan i know from away games then it wont be because of attitude before spouting off get the facts. if he's all innocent and an angel,fair do,but if the report says otherwise,i ain't apologizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellys_discopants Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 before spouting off get the facts. if he's all innocent and an angel,fair do,but if the report says otherwise,i ain't apologizing. you were the one spouting off! The report says nothing really. So yes, lets get the facts ... It dosent say what they were chanting, how long they were chanting, how many times they were told to stop, if they were told to stop in English or in the native language, or infact if they were even chanting .. as different people have different perseptions of chanting! The only fact i can see if that an English fan has been shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 you were the one spouting off! The report says nothing really. So yes, lets get the facts ... It dosent say what they were chanting, how long they were chanting, how many times they were told to stop, if they were told to stop in English or in the native language, or infact if they were even chanting .. as different people have different perseptions of chanting! The only fact i can see if that an English fan has been shot. the report says, "He was reportedly shot when he and his friends paid no attention to a local in the bar who told them to stop chanting." from that i based my opening comment. don't like it? move on.its my opinion-not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellys_discopants Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 the report says, "He was reportedly shot when he and his friends paid no attention to a local in the bar who told them to stop chanting." from that i based my opening comment. don't like it? move on.its my opinion-not yours. Yes, and as i said the report dosent include any important and proper facts, like what they were chanting, for how long etcetc (as ive already mentioned). I`m not really having a go at your opinion, so please dont have a hissy fit, im merely pointing out the facts ... or the lack of and that things like this arent always as cut and dry as people like to think, like Wardle as said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardlelatic Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 shot for chanting ! On that basis mate you would be like swiss cheese after watching Barca in the white hart ! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 love to argue the toss all day,but i just ain't bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellys_discopants Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 love to argue the toss all day,but i just ain't bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchie82 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Rochdale fan and an England fan? Two birds with one stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slurms mckenzie Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Maybe it was Bhorat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Maybe it was Bhorat. It wasn't in Bhorat's country, it was in Kyrgyzstan. A bit like England fans chanting in Dublin in preparation for a game against Northern Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 pi$$ the locals off with your "ingerlund" attitude,thats what happens. So I'm guessing you've never sung Oldham songs in an away pub then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchie82 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 So I'm guessing you've never sung Oldham songs in an away pub then? They were not in the same country according to DS never mind an away pub. Shut up please. No, ok BANG. Thats how they roll in Derkaderkastan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 So I'm guessing you've never sung Oldham songs in an away pub then? no..i'm a good boy me. i see a gun,i hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Look in a foreign country where an AK-47 is availible for the price of what we pay for a beer if someone asks you to stop chanting you stop chanting. I've had to get my map out to see why they were in a country which requires a visa other than Kazhakstan (I understand how it might make sense). It seems like the guy was perhaps cognitively impaired (due to booze) and didn't understand the gravitas of the situation. The most sensible thing he did was leave the hospital as soon as felt able to. It doesn't excuse the fact that he doesn't deserve to get shot but its probably not that much different than one of us someone off in a pub and getting glassed for it (its wrong but it happens). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 the media loves to make the England fans out as the bad guys in these situations! And for once, the media is often right. IF the radio reports and that Sky article are accurate (first time for everything...) then I'm with Johnny - my sympathy is zero. Yes we all know (some more than they'd like) you can end up in the wrong place at the wrong time, do nothing provocative, try to avoid trouble and still end up hurt. Singing England songs in a foreign bar can be acceptable to a point, depending on the bar and the circumstances. But rising to the bait when told to stop (I'm sure we can all imagine the scenario) is just asking for trouble - seems like they got a little more trouble than they could handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 And for once, the media is often right. IF the radio reports and that Sky article are accurate (first time for everything...) then I'm with Johnny - my sympathy is zero. Yes we all know (some more than they'd like) you can end up in the wrong place at the wrong time, do nothing provocative, try to avoid trouble and still end up hurt. Singing England songs in a foreign bar can be acceptable to a point, depending on the bar and the circumstances. But rising to the bait when told to stop (I'm sure we can all imagine the scenario) is just asking for trouble - seems like they got a little more trouble than they could handle. You'd have thought that only being asked once in some of these places would surely be enough! Obviously not. However, no need to be shot - but i'm sure if he has been asked to be quiet and carried on - he'll think twice next time..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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