johnny punkster Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 i voted no,but as many here have pointed out,if it was on our terms,and loaded with clauses related to off field happenings etc, i'd seriously consider having him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Marshalls Hairdresser Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. It seems clear that this guy was one of the main reasons why Shez lost his job. I think the other was Gregan with his bullying and drinking (opinions formed from all the crap spouted on these boards). Also, it has been said the 20 goal-a-season strikers don't grow on trees (well, they'd be leaves if they did wouldn't nthey) but they are also not as rare as you might make out. 2008 - 2009 Cox Swindon 29 Lambert Bristol Rovers 29 Beckford Leeds United 27 Fryatt Leicester 27 Hooper Scunthorpe 24 Mackail-Smith Peterborough 23 2007-2008 Scotland Swansea 29 Lambert Bristol Rovers 20 Beckford Leeds 20 2006-2007 Sharp Scunthorpe 32 Constantine Port Vale 26 Varney Crewe 25 Porter Oldham Athletic 22 Hefernan Doncaster 21 Trundle Swansea 20 2005-2006 Eastwood Southend 25 Sharp Scunthorpe 24 Trundle Swansea 21 Hayter Bournemouth 20 Windass Bradford 20 2004-2005 Lita Bristol City 29 Elliott Hull 29 Windass Bradford 28 Boyd Hartlepool 27 Abbott Huddersfield 27 Parkin Swindon 24 Hayter Bournemouth 22 Howard Luton 22 Brooker Bristol City 21 I totally agree,BUT try getting any of the above on a FREE! Bar some bloke called "Porter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I totally agree,BUT try getting any of the above on a FREE! Bar some bloke called "Porter" Or Abbott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Marshalls Hairdresser Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Or Abbott Hahaha like your style.........didnt see Abbott Or Windyarse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The 19 loanee strikers with a negative goals tally between them might beg to differ there. I don't seem to recall the story of 19 loanee strikers with a negative goals tally walking round Belle Vue Dogs with their tackle out or having their manager in a head lock...etc....etc.....etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killens_physio Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) 2008 - 2009 Cox Swindon 29 Lambert Bristol Rovers 29 Beckford Leeds United 27 Fryatt Leicester 27 Hooper Scunthorpe 24 Mackail-Smith Peterborough 23 2007-2008 Scotland Swansea 29 Lambert Bristol Rovers 20 Beckford Leeds 20 2006-2007 Sharp Scunthorpe 32 Constantine Port Vale 26 Varney Crewe 25 Porter Oldham Athletic 22 Hefernan Doncaster 21 Trundle Swansea 20 2005-2006 Eastwood Southend 25 Sharp Scunthorpe 24 Trundle Swansea 21 Hayter Bournemouth 20 Windass Bradford 20 2004-2005 Lita Bristol City 29 Elliott Hull 29 Windass Bradford 28 Boyd Hartlepool 27 Abbott Huddersfield 27 Parkin Swindon 24 Hayter Bournemouth 22 Howard Luton 22 Brooker Bristol City 21 It wouldnt matter if we had Fryatt, Sharp or Cox as our up front choices, we all know once they get to BP they cant hit a barn door. Edited July 3, 2009 by Killens_physio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 It wouldnt matter if we had Fryatt, Sharp or Cox as our up front choices, we all know once they get to BP they cant hit a barn door. Too true, but my point is that there are plenty of 20 goals-a-season players out there and I don't think we should saddle ourselves with a bad-egg. I am sure that many of the names in my list were pretty unknown or unproven before they weighed in with the goal tallies they did - the thing is, they have pretty much all moved on and are now big names. I'd much rather go for a young, fit and motivated player than rely on Hughes. I thought that Ryan Brooke did great when he came on at Walsall. Scored with his first touch and could have got a hatrick! He would be my choice for Pav's partner to start the season - afterall, he has a record better than a goal a game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Too true, but my point is that there are plenty of 20 goals-a-season players out there and I don't think we should saddle ourselves with a bad-egg. I am sure that many of the names in my list were pretty unknown or unproven before they weighed in with the goal tallies they did - the thing is, they have pretty much all moved on and are now big names. I'd much rather go for a young, fit and motivated player than rely on Hughes. I thought that Ryan Brooke did great when he came on at Walsall. Scored with his first touch and could have got a hatrick! He would be my choice for Pav's partner to start the season - afterall, he has a record better than a goal a game!! no he doesnt, he has a goal a game record ..........not good enough, needs more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 no he doesnt, he has a goal a game record ..........not good enough, needs more Didn't he only play 20 minutes? That's 4 goals+ a game! If he's ever present next season he should bang in around 200. That'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepy Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 We should try and sign Hughes again, but if we dont im expecting us to sign someone on loan from a premiership team a bit like Defoe/Bournemouth - yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killens_physio Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Too true, but my point is that there are plenty of 20 goals-a-season players out there and I don't think we should saddle ourselves with a bad-egg. I am sure that many of the names in my list were pretty unknown or unproven before they weighed in with the goal tallies they did - the thing is, they have pretty much all moved on and are now big names. I'd much rather go for a young, fit and motivated player than rely on Hughes. I thought that Ryan Brooke did great when he came on at Walsall. Scored with his first touch and could have got a hatrick! He would be my choice for Pav's partner to start the season - afterall, he has a record better than a goal a game!! True but we cant rely on the likes of Brooke and Alessandra to weigh in with enough goals throughout the season to get us to press on. Yes Brooke had a good start with his goal but can we really rely on him to come through and become a 20+ goals a season striker we need? I think its too early to be putting our hopes on him. I dont want Hughes back particulary, but it all really depends on DP. If he thinks he can get the best out of Hughes then great give him a contract but with countless clauses put in there. If Shez was still here i would say definately no, but different managers, fresh starts and all that. What is most concerning is that people seem to be thinking that Abbott will get a good tally of goals next season. If he doesnt and we have no backup then we are going to struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 True but we cant rely on the likes of Brooke and Alessandra to weigh in with enough goals throughout the season to get us to press on. Yes Brooke had a good start with his goal but can we really rely on him to come through and become a 20+ goals a season striker we need? I think its too early to be putting our hopes on him. I dont want Hughes back particulary, but it all really depends on DP. If he thinks he can get the best out of Hughes then great give him a contract but with countless clauses put in there. If Shez was still here i would say definately no, but different managers, fresh starts and all that. What is most concerning is that people seem to be thinking that Abbott will get a good tally of goals next season. If he doesnt and we have no backup then we are going to struggle. I agree with you. But I would give Brooke his chance at the start and use the Loan system to bolster our options - we need to develop our own talent as well as brinign in the right players. Is Hughes on of the right players? Not in myn opinion he isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astottie Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 It would keep the team socials lively. I'm not sure we are going to get him on the bargain people are thinking, maybe nobody is biting at what he is after but if he was on the cheap there would be lots of teams willing to take a chance. What is a bargain price is a subjective view i suppose but how about on offer which includes a basic wage plus add ons for appearances and goals and all adds up to what he was on last year and not what he was offered in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Didn't he only play 20 minutes? That's 4 goals+ a game! If he's ever present next season he should bang in around 200. That'll do. perhaps the next 11 yr old paul moulden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 We should try and sign Hughes again, but if we dont im expecting us to sign someone on loan from a premiership team a bit like Defoe/Bournemouth - yes please Or Kenny Cooper? It's the old chestnut, we might as well find out if our own youngsters can make it as find out if someone elses can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiecat Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 A definate yes from me! i couldn't care less what Hughes does in his spare time just so long as he delivers on the pitch. I would be more than happy to see a Hughes,Abbott partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddot_m Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Am I right in thinking that some people would rather take a gamble on Brooke than sign someone that we know will score? Random - Having seen 20 minutes of a kid at the end of the season - start him??? We need decent strikers - reserve team footbal for the kids - THEN if they do well, throw them on for the occasional 30 minutes at the end of games.- If they do well, by all means throw them on at the start. The last thing I want is booing crowds at a kid if he makes a mistake - they need to gradually become accustomed to the proffessional game. If Hughes re-signs, he'll probably realise that he needs to behave and grab some goals if he ever wants to move on and earn serious cash... Edited July 3, 2009 by ddot_m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Am I right in thinking that some people would rather take a gamble on Brooke than sign someone that we know will score? Random - Having seen 20 minutes of a kid at the end of the season - start him??? We need decent strikers - reserve team footbal for the kids - THEN if they do well, throw them on for the occasional 30 minutes at the end of games.- If they do well, by all means throw them on at the start. The last thing I want is booing crowds at a kid if he makes a mistake - they need to gradually become accustomed to the proffessional game. If Hughes re-signs, he'll probably realise that he needs to behave and grab some goals if he ever wants to move on and earn serious cash... yep, standard practice, lots of latics fans judge players after seeing them at most 3 times for us or someone else. at that point they are the greatest or the :censored:s..no in between. whittiker over wellens and brooke instead of hughes, no pressure that for a young lad Edited July 3, 2009 by palmer1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Am I right in thinking that some people would rather take a gamble on Brooke than sign someone that we know will score? Random - Having seen 20 minutes of a kid at the end of the season - start him??? We need decent strikers - reserve team footbal for the kids - THEN if they do well, throw them on for the occasional 30 minutes at the end of games.- If they do well, by all means throw them on at the start. The last thing I want is booing crowds at a kid if he makes a mistake - they need to gradually become accustomed to the proffessional game. If Hughes re-signs, he'll probably realise that he needs to behave and grab some goals if he ever wants to move on and earn serious cash... This post reminds me of the famous Alan Hansen quote about winning nothing with kids. How old was Rooney when he broke into Everton's first team? Giggs? Scholes? Walcott? Fabian Delph? All played at the end of a match for half an hour? If you don't throw them into the action, they will never become acustomed to it. Don't forget that Hughes did OK before Christmas, but was complete GASH after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepy Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Or Kenny Cooper? It's the old chestnut, we might as well find out if our own youngsters can make it as find out if someone elses can. I dont mean Kenny Cooper i mean someone who is guaranteed to grow up and be a star like Jermaine Defoe! One of the kids from Arsenal for example who is guaranteed to score goals in this awful league Whoever recommended Kenny Cooper should be shot Edited July 3, 2009 by creepy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 This post reminds me of the famous Alan Hansen quote about winning nothing with kids. How old was Rooney when he broke into Everton's first team? Giggs? Scholes? Walcott? Fabian Delph? All played at the end of a match for half an hour? If you don't throw them into the action, they will never become acustomed to it. Don't forget that Hughes did OK before Christmas, but was complete GASH after. if brooke is that good he will play, if not he will play for the reserves. penney will know, he made a great start to his career but we cant hope for miracles at this level. hughes scored 17 goals last season and he bullys defenders. crap after christmas? yes but without those goals where we have been? id rather go with what we know than take massive risks. that could be a big big mistake come next may Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev1969 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 If we have the chance i would go for it defenders hate marking him he knows the game have to go with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nava Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I would definitly have him back on a similar contract to his last one. Obviously I would hope they put clause's in to protect us if he becomes a problem but we won't have many options available to us who are better without paying a fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticNik Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 No ta. Time to move on. E4e THANX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I think we need to take into account that Hughes won't pass to a fellow striker when they are in a better position, and I don't expect Pav will be laying them on a plate for his strike partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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