BP1960 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 According to his interview on the OS. So why didn't he manager take him off as such lack of fitness must surely affect the team display ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 According to his interview on the OS. So why didn't he manager take him off as such lack of fitness must surely affect the team display ? Why did the manager put him on if he is unfit to play ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 On the other hand, how would he regain match fitness without playing matches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) On the other hand, how would he regain match fitness without playing matches? There is a difference between match sharpness (which needs games) and overall cardio fitness which can be achieved on the tread mill... Edited September 15, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 On the other hand, how would he regain match fitness without playing matches? Stick him in the stiffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeckfordsRightFoot Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) On the other hand, how would he regain match fitness without playing matches? R eally E veryone S hould E mphasise R eserve team football V ia E very means necessary. S ome people! Edited September 15, 2009 by BeckfordsRightFoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Why did the manager put him on if he is unfit to play ? One of the few creative players we have. Could have backfired badly, could have aggravated the injury thank fook it didnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 In terms of match fitness, the stiffs is barely better than an 11v11 in training. It's not as if he's been out all season like Jacobson, he shouldn't have lost that much basic fitness. So what if he was "tired" after 20 minutes? The extra match time will have accelerated his progress far better than a trip to Cammell Laird would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) According to his interview on the OS. So why didn't he manager take him off as such lack of fitness must surely affect the team display ? It was clear from the start of the 2nd half how tired he was, he was offering nothing to the team.... Penny was being shouted at to get him off by several fans. Standing where i was and looking at Penny's reaction's to these shouts I actually do feel he kept him out there for longer in pure stubbornness to these people telling him what to do Edited September 15, 2009 by NIKI1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 In terms of match fitness, the stiffs is barely better than an 11v11 in training. It's not as if he's been out all season like Jacobson, he shouldn't have lost that much basic fitness. So what if he was "tired" after 20 minutes? The extra match time will have accelerated his progress far better than a trip to Cammell Laird would. I'm looking at it from the perspective that it was probably detrimental to the first team having someone blowing out of their arse after twenty minutes. Certainly someone who I suspect most of his colleagues look to get the ball to so he can do something with it. And whilst the stiffs isn't as intense as first team football, it's certainly much better than a training match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) I'm looking at it from the perspective that it was probably detrimental to the first team having someone blowing out of their arse after twenty minutes. Certainly someone who I suspect most of his colleagues look to get the ball to so he can do something with it. And whilst the stiffs isn't as intense as first team football, it's certainly much better than a training match. Im confused... In my mind a professional football should be fit enough to last 90 mins of football as a default... With or without games... Swimming, cycling, treadmill...all avilable 24/7 If a player cant keep themselves fit enough (excluding injuries) to play two 45 mins halfs of football then I think that player needs to consider their professional status... Players need game for match sharpness...but fitness...pah Edited September 15, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 15, 2009 Author Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Unfit players should not play simple as that, it's letting down the team and the fans. In effect we are saying the team carried a passenger after 20 minutes. Also, what does it say about the substitutes and strength of the squad? Edited September 15, 2009 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Im confused... In my mind a professional football should be fit enough to last 90 mins of football as a default... With or without games... Swimming, cycling, treadmill...all avilable 24/7 If a player cant keep themselves fit enough (excluding injuries) to play two 45 mins halfs of football then I think that player needs to consider their professional status... Players need game for match sharpness...but fitness...pah You can replicate the type of exercise a game requires to an extent, but there's simply no substitute for a competitive game. It's not easily explained, unfortunately. I'm not even going to try - I should get some work done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 You can replicate the type of exercise a game requires to an extent, but there's simply no substitute for a competitive game. It's not easily explained, unfortunately. I'm not even going to try - I should get some work done I think its rubbish Apply more bloody effort in training the lazy sod! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Fairy nuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I think its rubbish Apply more bloody effort in training the lazy sod! Have you read his interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Have you read his interview? No... I am talking generally about player fitness and not Taylor in particular... Edited September 15, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 No... I am talking generally about player fitness and not Taylor in particular... Yeah, know what your saying re: general fitness. With Taylor, he says in his interview that he can hardly do anything at the moment, even in the gym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Yeah, know what your saying re: general fitness. With Taylor, he says in his interview that he can hardly do anything at the moment, even in the gym. Ah right... In that case the decision to play him is surely even more damming ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 15, 2009 Author Share Posted September 15, 2009 Yeah, know what your saying re: general fitness. With Taylor, he says in his interview that he can hardly do anything at the moment, even in the gym. In that case there is something seriously wrong with him and he shouldn't be playing, you need a team firing on all cylinders in the present situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 In that case there is something seriously wrong with him and he shouldn't be playing, you need a team firing on all cylinders in the present situation. Yup... Sorry but its a epic fail on behalf of Penny if its true.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Ah right... In that case the decision to play him is surely even more damming ?? Well, I thought that when I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Well, I thought that when I read it. It really is to early to make a judgement but I am really not keen on the new manager... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Sheridan said in his time here that Taylor's actual effort in training should have been matched by others. Clearly just is not in any state to play at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornbloweroafc Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Not sure if someone already mentioned it but shouldnt he be slowly worked back into the first team like putting him as sub and giving him 20mins at the end to see how he fairs. Would this not of been better especially because he is a key player to us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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