Diego_Sideburns Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 please tell me were not begging again. That's exactly what we are doing, because many of those who begged for the club to be saved in 2003 have since turned their backs on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Actually Latics are not out of all the cups, the youngsters are doing well and could go a long way in the FA Youth Cup, although it won't bring in much revenue it could raise the profile of the club as it did when they played Arsenal a few years ago. Another spin off is if some outstanding young player emerge the big clubs could make a move for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_standreject Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) There is a time and a place for expressing the grim position and IMO 48 hours after Saturday via the OS is not good PR. The focus of AH and those who market the club must be to get people through the gate and TBH I can't see anyone wanting to jump off their stool and get to the games based on his remarks this morning, the club should portray a togetherness and I bet the interview has gone down quicker than a bird from the Candlelight with the manager! Surely interviews (even if they are contrived) from the players apologising for letting the club and supporters down would be better PR than the CEO referring to a result against a team one division below as embarrassing, we all need to remain positive, afterall we would all be German if our ancestors hadn't! Saturday is in the past, as supporters we can hold court on whether team selection etc is correct but for me the club should now be challenging supporters to get to the game on Saturday and raise the roof and the spin doctors at the club should be doing their bit with interviews from the players saying how gutted they are for the club and how they want to bounce back etc etc etc Edited November 8, 2010 by ford_standreject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Actually Latics are not out of all the cups, the youngsters are doing well and could go a long way in the FA Youth Cup, although it won't bring in much revenue it could raise the profile of the club as it did when they played Arsenal a few years ago. Another spin off is if some outstanding young player emerge the big clubs could make a move for them. nice idea but I cant help feel thats clutching at straws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Hell no! What, nothing left to spare after sorting out the church? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 That's exactly what we are doing, because many of those who begged for the club to be saved in 2003 have since turned their backs on it. You seem to think the fans should continue to be mugs for rich mens dreams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 What, nothing left to spare after sorting out the church? Rest went on crack and hookers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) nice idea but I cant help feel thats clutching at straws A drowning man will clutch at any straws, and don't forget Tom Eaves never played first team competitive match, it was his youth team performances which caught the eye of the bigger clubs. Edited November 8, 2010 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 It happened with Eaves. Good point , is there anyone in the Yoofs looking promising at all ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Good point , is there anyone in the Yoofs looking promising at all ? Andy Crompton Matty D Carr Ryan Burns Carl Winchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Andy Crompton Matty D Carr Ryan Burns Carl Winchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) Andy Crompton Matty D Carr Ryan Burns Carl Winchester add Connor Hughes, Jack Laird and probably more. Edited November 8, 2010 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 You seem to think the fans should continue to be mugs for rich mens dreams Not at all. I think those claiming to be fans should put their bums on BP seats, in spite of being stuck in the 'Third Division' for so long, because they believed it when they chanted "Oldham 'til I die!". I don't believe the absentees will shed any tears when the Club is no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 add Connor Hughes, Jack Laird and probably more. Yeah, I was just listing the best (in my opinion) of the second years in fairness. Alex Parkes Luke Simpson Jack Laird can be added (in my opinion) to my original list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Not at all. I think those claiming to be fans should put their bums on BP seats, in spite of being stuck in the 'Third Division' for so long, because they believed it when they chanted "Oldham 'til I die!". I don't believe the absentees will shed any tears when the Club is no more. not guna happen tho is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Yeah, I was just listing the best (in my opinion) of the second years in fairness. Alex Parkes Luke Simpson Jack Laird can be added (in my opinion) to my original list. It would only need one of them to do a Tom Eaves and if you look at this years crop there's quite a small fortune in prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 not guna happen tho is it. No and what will follow is inevitable. It will be little consolation that those of us, who have done what the absentees have failed to do, will have a clear conscience when Latics are no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 No and what will follow is inevitable. It will be little consolation that those of us, who have done what the absentees have failed to do, will have a clear conscience when Latics are no more. we need more Super fans ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) Not at all. I think those claiming to be fans should put their bums on BP seats, in spite of being stuck in the 'Third Division' for so long, because they believed it when they chanted "Oldham 'til I die!". I don't believe the absentees will shed any tears when the Club is no more. I claim to be a fan of the club... I am also a fan of the rugby and other sports but I don't go to them... Can one only be a "fan" if they actually attend the games... I thought that was a supporter personally... You seem to want to draw a line in the sand and blame everyone who no longer comes for the downfall of the club without taking to issue the reasons why people no longer want to come. Do you honestly think the clubs fortunes and troubles would change over night by adding a couple of thousand to the attendance. History says otherwise. I don't believe for a second the club would be run to live within its means if that happened. I believe history shows the club would just have more room to offer more silly money to silly players. You either expect "fans" to go no matter what throwing good money after bad (ignoring all the very valid reasons why people do not want to go and the role others play in this) or you don't... If Latics go pop I will feel guilt that I didn't blindly throw my money at the club. But I will take heart in the fact I did that very thing for many many years after the "glory" years... There comes a point were you just throw in the towel. Just ask Blitz... Edited November 8, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 After the crap we had to put up with last season, Paul Dickov has been a revelation. However, there is little doubt his team selection on Saturday was his first major dropped bollock. What I cannot understand, is given the importance of the cup run, why were both Kieran Lee and Dean Furman, at the very least, not brought off the bench at half-time? We had been dire for the majority of the first half and were sliding out of the cup. PD had to f*ck the Huddersfield game at that point and go with his strongest team. Entrusting such a vital result to a 17-year old, triallist winger and a midfielder who hasn't played midfield competitively for 2 years was a nonsence. Even 3 points against Huddersfield won't guarantee a money-spinning play-off place so why did he put so much emphasis on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 we need more Super fans ! We need more attendees at BP or more people paying into the Club regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) You know what frustrates me? It's the people that defend TTA time and time again and i'm struggling to understand the justification for your loyalty to these ex-pat business men that are about to leave our club in one holy mess. We are all grateful for what TTA did in late 2003, but since late 2005 when we got a sub-4,000 crowd for a pre-Christmas game v Walsall, the owners and Corney in particularly has been vociferous in his criticisms of the fanbase, alienating the faithful 5,000 that has since dwindled to the faithful 3,500. We've had to put up with emotional blackmail year after year, scratch our back and we'll scratch yours mentality that has frankly become a little tiresome for many. We even fell for the sob story over the council's dismissal of the planning application for BP. We mobilised in our thousands and marched vociferously, wrote letters, sent emails and told anyone who would listen what an injustice it all was. How were we repaid? Feet were dragged, a stand was dropped as a cynical money-making measure - leaving Boundary Park a soulless and depressing place. On top of this we have seen every young prospect sold at the drop of a hat - Richards, Spencer, Philliskirk, Eaves etc.. Eardley was allowed to leave for peanuts and our top-scorer for each the SIX previous seasons to leave for almost nothing(Killen, Beckett, Porter, Davies, Hughes, Abbott) I am under no illusions that this club has always sold to survive but over the last few seasons I don't think we've dug our heels in enough to get market value for our best prospects. There's been no continuity during their tenure, there's been too many knee-jerk reactions that have damaged the club, a small investment in a second striker during 06/07 may well have seen us promoted. Instead we made do and failed miserably. Similarly when it was clear Porter had clicked, surely an improved contract offer should have been made in the Autumn - he cost us £100,000 surely it made sense to protect that investment. Same with Wellens - good businesses protect their assets. Since losing to Blackpool in the Play Offs it seems that club has been consistently 'down-sizing', the fans are not stupid and as sad as I am to see as many as I have drift away, they all have their reasons. Instead of finding out why such apathy exists; the club, some fans and the Trust I might add, find it easier to point the finger and blame the stayaways. Now we're in a dire predicament, but the fans are confused. We've unsurprisingly posted losses of £1.5m, but a third of that is attributed to a planning application and costs linked to a holding company separate to Oldham Athletic. We were told the budget was in place for this season before the season started, yet a few weeks ago we're told the budget is in place but the money isn't? This confused me, as how the hell could we afford to sign MORE players when we still had existing contracts to meet? It simply doesn't stack up and consistent with the latter part of the owners tenure namely the goalposts being constantly moved. People argue that TTA have put x amount in here and x amount there and I have been very grateful for this but let's not forget that during their tenure we have seen an increase in TV money allocation and FL sponsorship, extra shirt sponsorship and logos on shorts have been permitted and the club have been on TV live on no less than 11 occasions (Off the top of my head), and have received fees for Richards, Spencer, Philliskirk, Eaves, Trotman, Eardley, Davies, O'Grady, Abbott (well over a million quid) amongst others so has their backing been as generous as many think? Not forgetting that match-day prices have increased by about 35% in comparison to 2003. We're now in a situation where we are fighting for our lives again, one that Corporal Jones described in detail over and over again a couple of years ago. Since the middle of last season, the penny dropped for me and many others. Many have walked away, having no stomach for a fight. Some of us are still here and will be here no matter what but there's a lot of uncertainty. The Failsworth situation remains unresolved and is taking too long, there's a lack of clarity over how the stadium will be funded for it become a reality. There's rumours of Mr. Corney and other club officials walking away or retiring. TTA aways stated that they would never put the club into administration, unfortunately the likelihood of this becomes closer to reality by the day. To attribute being up :censored: creek without a paddle because of who we may or may not get in the FA Cup is like betting the club on '33' black at the casino! The question is are people happy simply to trust the owner(s) and simply continuing to be nodding dogs, or are they willing to fight for some clarity and some real answers over what is happening? We know the club's skint and in trouble, what I want to know is what is being done to ensure the club can survive? I know the club are sensitive to criticism, but tough! It's time we had a few answers as to what the future holds and just what the intentions are of our landlords. I'll still be here long after the present board have gone, I want to know there'll be an Oldham Athletic... Edited November 8, 2010 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 We need more attendees at BP or more people paying into the Club regularly. we also need more pies on sale. every penny counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 careful prozac... You will get called to the headmasters office again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) You know what frustrates me? It's the people that defend TTA time and time again and i'm struggling to understand the justification for your loyalty to these ex-pat business men that are about to leave our club in one holy mess. We are all grateful for what TTA did in late 2003, but since late 2005 when we got a sub-4,000 crowd for a pre-Christmas game v Walsall, the owners and Corney in particularly has been vociferous in his criticisms of the fanbase, alienating the faithful 5,000 that has since dwindled to the faithful 3,500. We've had to put up with emotional blackmail year after year, scratch our back and we'll scratch yours mentality that has frankly become a little tiresome for many. We even fell for the sob story over the council's dismissal of the planning application for BP. We mobilised in our thousands and marched vociferously, wrote letters, sent emails and told anyone who would listen what an injustice it all was. How were we repaid? Feet were dragged, a stand was dropped as a cynical money-making measure - leaving Boundary Park a soulless and depressing place. On top of this we have seen every young prospect sold at the drop of a hat - Richards, Spencer, Philliskirk, Eaves etc.. Eardley was allowed to leave for peanuts and our top-scorer for each the SIX previous seasons (Killen, Beckett, Porter, Davies, Hughes, Abbott) I am under no illusions that this club has always sold to survive but over the last few seasons I don't think we've dug our heels in enough to get market value for our best prospects. There's been no continuity during their tenure, there's been too many knee-jerk reactions that have damaged the club, a small investment in a second striker during 06/07 may well have seen us promoted. Instead we made do and failed miserably. Simialrly when it was clear Porter had clicked, surely an improved contract offer should have been made in the Autumn - he cost us £100,000 surely it made sense to protect that investment. Same with Wellens - good businesses protect their assets. Since losing to Blackpool in the Play Offs it seems that club has been consistently 'down-sizing', the fans are not stupid and as sad as I am to see as many as I have drift away, they all have their reasons. Instead of finding out why such apathy exists; the club, some fans and the Trust I might add, find it easier to point the finger and blame the stayaways. Now we're in a dire predicament, but the fans are confused. We've unsurprisingly posted losses of £1.5m, but a third of that is attributed to a planning application and costs linked to a holding company separate to Oldham Athletic. We were told the budget was in place for this season before the season started, yet a few weeks ago we're told the budget is in place but the money isn't? This confused me, as how the hell could we afford to sign MORE players when we still had existing contracts to meet? It simply doesn't stack up and consistent with the latter part of the owners tenure namely the goalposts being constantly moved. People argue that TTA have put x amount in here and x amount there and I have been very grateful for this but let's not forget that during their tenure we have seen an increase in TV money allocation and FL sponsorship, extra shirt sponsorship and logos on shorts have been permitted and the club have been on TV live on no less than 11 occasions (Off the top of my head), and have received fees for Richards, Spencer, Philliskirk, Eaves, Trotman, Eardley, Davies, O'Grady, Abbott (well over a million quid) amongst others so has their backing been as generous as many think? Not forgetting that match-day prices have increased by about 35% in comparison to 2003. We're now in a situation where we are fighting for our lives again, one that Corporal Jones described in detail over and over again a couple of years ago. Since the middle of last season, the penny dropped for me and many others. Many have walked away, having no stomach for a fight. Some of us are still here and will be here no matter what but there's a lot of uncertainty. The Failsworth situation remains unresolved and is taking too long, there's a lack of clarity over how the stadium will be funded for it become a reality. There's rumours of Mr. Corney and other club officials walking away or retiring. TTA aways stated that they would never put the club into administration, unfortunately the likelihood of this becomes closer to reality by the day. To attribute being up :censored: creek without a paddle because of who we may or may not get in the FA Cup is like betting the club on '33' black at the casino! The question is are people happy simply to trust the owner(s) and simply continuing to be nodding dogs, or are they willing to fight for some clarity and some real answers over what is happening? We know the club's skint and in trouble, what I want to know is what is being done to ensure the club can survive? you're knockin em out today! slow day at work or did you have it in reserve for a time like this? agree with every word tho, might i add. Edited November 8, 2010 by MaskedOwl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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