ShakerT Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 A little simplistic methinks. Got to leave some room for the seats in the stadium and car parking outside. You can't simply knock 35% off the size of the development and keep the same income streams planned. I still think the approvals for Failsworth can be obtained. It's just that our LA will have to be more professional about it next time round. Opinions did you manage to shift the motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 Thats a very fair opinion but you can argue there are lots of cost saving re planning issues road surveys etc as certain to pass. An established leisure complex, nothing to stop another hotel being built into plans the new one name escapes me village perhaps? appears very, very busy. Lots of other leisure opportunities to explore before writing it off. The cinema, bowling etc is a shame however conference facilities, high tech offices, business centres are missing in the area at present. Must be scope for partnerships. and as Simon says, welcomed with open arms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanakapan Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Ashton Moss/Tameside for me, much brighter future, attract new fans in the area and has an Oldham postcode? You will not attract any fans from that area..they are all reds and blues.....plastic or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Go have your club in Tameside. Leave Oldham Athletic alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Thats the MASSIVE PLUS point. I think I am correct in saying Tameside is the largest met borough WITHOUT a professional sport within its boundary. An OL7 postcode YES I KNOW..... to boot. Transport issues are blown away in a few seconds. A blank sheet of paper. Merging with Tameside in some way is hardly the crime compared with 20 years of inactivity from successive political idiots I would bet if Simon spoke to Tameside they could have a ground up in under 2 years. (perhaps getting a stay of execution on the main stand.) What does Dudley come under- as that's the largest town/city without one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 When will the message get through Boundary Park is losing its football club one way or another unless SOMETHING radical happens quickly. OR OMBC gets its act together which it has failed to do for 20 plus years. Its crap but lots of people have been saying DOOMED for a while and I bet none are happy right now. A genuine question WHERE are we going to play next season? the following season? or are we going to be out of town like Brighton for years. All very sad. As I've said any permanent move out of the borough is unacceptable. I don't mind moving away for the short-term. Oldham Athletic's future should be in Oldham and not in another town. I'm well aware football may not be played at BP next season and that a move away may have to happen but only because Corney says so. OAFC's future has to be in Oldham long-term or it's all irrelevant to me. I won't support the club if it moves away permanently. It won't be my club anymore. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I think it's an option and as has been pointed out Bath City and Dorchester have previously shared their grounds with Football League clubs at no detriment to their existence. They shared temporarily. Not permanently. Thats the massive, massive difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 As I've said any permanent move out of the borough is unacceptable. I don't mind moving away for the short-term. Oldham Athletic's future should be in Oldham and not in another town. I'm well aware football may not be played at BP next season and that a move away may have to happen but only because Corney says so. OAFC's future has to be in Oldham long-term or it's all irrelevant to me. I won't support the club if it moves away permanently. It won't be my club anymore. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? It's quite funny how a council boundary, set by a civil servant in the early 70s, can mean so much to some people. Me, I'd be happy to have the club move to anywhere that is within a reasonable distance of oldham, has some traditional links to our fan base, and does not move us geographically past another league club. In 1974, OMBC could easily have not included Failsworth, but could have included Limehurst or Ashton Moss. It could have had Middleton, Shaw could have been put in with Rochdale - would that make a non-latics area? Middleton anyone? Full of reds / blues of course, but then again, so is Oldham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I may have missed something somewhere along the line, BUT, why do the self sustaining facilities and the stadium have to be on the same site? Couldn't SC use the Lancaster site for a hotel, bowling alley, cinema, brothel, gym, plastic pitches, blah blah, and then build a tidy, adequately sized, 10000 seat stadium with conference facilities on whats left of Boundary Park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 It's quite funny how a council boundary, set by a civil servant in the early 70s, can mean so much to some people. Me, I'd be happy to have the club move to anywhere that is within a reasonable distance of Oldham, has some traditional links to our fan base, and does not move us geographically past another league club. In 1974, OMBC could easily have not included Failsworth, but could have included Limehurst or Ashton Moss. It could have had Middleton, Shaw could have been put in with Rochdale - would that make a non-latics area? Middleton anyone? Full of reds / blues of course, but then again, so is Oldham. Fair point. Latics have been prepared to move out of Oldham (town) for a while as the plans to move to Chadderton or Failsworth demonstrate. In 1974 Saddleworth could have been a part of Tameside, and Middleton was originally going to be a part of Oldham (borough). A lot of people seem to be attaching a great deal to an administrative borough that was set up to run (ruin?) local government services. Although there is no desire on the part of national governments to radically re-organise local government, it doesn't mean that OMBC is here for ever! If the council had taken a generic name like Tameside or Trafford some peoples views might be a little different. real: Do you know of 30 acres of spare land in Middleton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) Get the council to tidy up and pay for Coal pit lane for their part of this sorry mess. To include adequate road links and fit for purpose land. I don't think many Latics followers would complain about that. Obviously something is wrong with the land as it stands but does anyone actually know what? Edited February 6, 2011 by Lags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Argh Google.... love these quiz questions with wrong answers.... Dudley pop 194000 but close to WBA, Birmingham, Kidderminster lol.... Then Telford 162,000 ignoring Rugby Wakefield apparently.... 322,000 Tameside pop 213000 that will be higher than Dudley? interesting fact constituencies. Ashton-under-Lyne, which also includes parts of the Metropolitan Borough of Oldham, is represented by Mr. David Heyes MP (Labour) all down to 1974..... That's just the population of Dudley centre (in Tameside I'd guess the equivalent is A-U-L). The population for Dudley is 306,500, as seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Engli...s_by_population a list derived from the ONS. Having said that this info is perhaps about to become out of date, and someone else might be the largest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Get the council to tidy up and pay for Coal pit lane for their part of this sorry mess. To include adequate road links and fit for purpose land. I don't think many Latics followers would complain about that. Obviously something is wrong with the land as it stands but does anyone actually know what? I *think* it's designated as green belt. How about Miggy, north of oldham rd, west of the rail line, behind british vita? Or if it could be made to work, the hollinwood gasometer site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Could kibosh that idea then, but then there's that much land around there surely it can't all be earmarked as 'Industrial' only? Plenty of room off Sir Issac Newton way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shefflatic Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) The way I see it, should Tameside be the only 'Other' option should failsworth be dead in the water, then so be it. In my opinion no one nowadays attaches themselves to the town - we (well, i) follow Oldham due to the success of the team under Royle and the fact that my dad has followed the team all his life - it has nothing to do with the fact that oldham had the mills industry or anything regarding the town per se, simply the club itself. Ashton would not be 'in' Oldham, granted - but it has that OL postcode. Most of us would go to failsworth if it meant us having a club, with an M postcode. What real difference does it make where we are located, within reason? - United are in Trafford, not 'Manchester'. Christ, Rochdale have an OL postcode and they dont care. Oldham as a town is and has been dead for 10 or so years - Ashton/Failsworth/Saddleworth, wherever - as long as the club is still in existence then I will get behind it wherever we are In my eyes we support the team and the badge, not this worthless town. Edited February 6, 2011 by shefflatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakerT Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 We will groundshare with Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 We will groundshare with Dale Cant see it, already two teams playing on Spotland. But I see theres quite a few jumping to the conclusion that we would allow you to Share Spotland with us until you sort yourselves out. Im afraid at present this probably wont happen as we already have 2 teams based at the ground and no way of shifting Hornets due to the RFL owning 45% of the ground due to Hornets illegally selling them their percentage of ownership two years ago. The pitch just wouldnt hold up with 3 teams playing on it so not a viable option for Rochdale AFC. Good luck for the future though, I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you Up The Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The way I see it, should Tameside be the only 'Other' option should failsworth be dead in the water, then so be it. In my opinion no one nowadays attaches themselves to the town - we (well, i) follow Oldham due to the success of the team under Royle and the fact that my dad has followed the team all his life - it has nothing to do with the fact that oldham had the mills industry or anything regarding the town per se, simply the club itself. Ashton would not be 'in' Oldham, granted - but it has that OL postcode. Most of us would go to failsworth if it meant us having a club, with an M postcode. What real difference does it make where we are located, within reason? - United are in Trafford, not 'Manchester'. Christ, Rochdale have an OL postcode and they dont care. Oldham as a town is and has been dead for 10 or so years - Ashton/Failsworth/Saddleworth, wherever - as long as the club is still in existence then I will get behind it wherever we are In my eyes we support the team and the badge, not this worthless town. Postcodes are irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakerT Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Cant see it, already two teams playing on Spotland. Its being considered by the club and a real possibility. Time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_balls Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Plenty of room off Sir Issac Newton way. True, surely an option? everyone keeps mentioning Tameside, have Tameside, Ashton, Council or what/who ever come out and said they'd even want Latics in their town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMAX Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 True, surely an option? everyone keeps mentioning Tameside, have Tameside, Ashton, Council or what/who ever come out and said they'd even want Latics in their town. Surely they would want to be one of the exclusive 92 Clubs and put Tameside on the map? Look how our pinch me season put the town of Oldham on the Map, long before Riots and bent politicians!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Surely they would want to be one of the exclusive 92 Clubs and put Tameside on the map? Look how our pinch me season put the town of Oldham on the Map, long before Riots and bent politicians!!! When I speak to friends from outside the north west.... Where do you live? Oldham. Oh right. Where do you work? Tameside. Where?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) Fair point. Latics have been prepared to move out of Oldham (town) for a while as the plans to move to Chadderton or Failsworth demonstrate. In 1974 Saddleworth could have been a part of Tameside, and Middleton was originally going to be a part of Oldham (borough). A lot of people seem to be attaching a great deal to an administrative borough that was set up to run (ruin?) local government services. Although there is no desire on the part of national governments to radically re-organise local government, it doesn't mean that OMBC is here for ever! If the council had taken a generic name like Tameside or Trafford some peoples views might be a little different. real: Do you know of 30 acres of spare land in Middleton? Assuming most wouldn't mind travelling within a 5 miles radius of Boundary Park I thought this map might be interesting; Edited February 6, 2011 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Do some of the local non-league grounds have room for expanding them? Having looked on Google maps Stalybridge might, especially if the Government flog the forests. Our land is probably worth more than theirs, so could an option be to buy out their ground and expand it using our land to pay for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Do some of the local non-league grounds have room for expanding them? Having looked on Google maps Stalybridge might, especially if the Government flog the forests. Our land is probably worth more than theirs, so could an option be to buy out their ground and expand it using our land to pay for it? Tameside stadium is the obvious one, 4,000 capacity now, but has scope for 5 times that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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