Frankly Mr Shankly Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 We could be Stockport -10 mate…..just when you think things can't get any worse, this club proves you wrong time and time again. Oldham Athletic excellence in being :censored:e since 1895 1995…. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 It wasn't when JS was boss, and it hasn't been this season though, has it? I understand the thought behind it, but it always seems to unbalance things. And I slated Shez for it (although we were safely within the play-off spots when he messed it about). While I think our weaknesses were clear before Christmas (goalkeeper, left back, goalscoring striker, right side of midfield) and the play-offs were always a big ask, the biggest unhinger was clearly stadium / Corney / late wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outoftheblue Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 And I slated Shez for it (although we were safely within the play-off spots when he messed it about). While I think our weaknesses were clear before Christmas (goalkeeper, left back, goalscoring striker, right side of midfield) and the play-offs were always a big ask, the biggest unhinger was clearly stadium / Corney / late wages. No doubt about it, they are all highly likely to have been detrimental to players' attitudes and state of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 We've had Warnock too, a manager who went on to be promoted numerous times. Different regime, I know but it still pains me that one. Just in the club's defence on this one - didn't Colin walk because he was told he wasn't going to be given any money to spend on players over the summer? Ian Stott, I think, was generally quite happy to give managers time. He even gave Sharp more than two years, which was far longer than he should have had! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I get the feeling Gerry is a yes man I'll let you tell him that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I'll let you tell him that! i will buy him a pint and he will soon be yessing for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Looking back over the season, Hartlepool at home aside, our run of great form and performances left us at the end of November. December was a write-off but January at least brought upper mid-table results. I agree that the loss of Holdsworth and Purdie (and M'Voto for Tonks) may have had an effect on morale. However, there is a turning point in our season that can be clearly identified - Corney's 'we won't be at Boundary Park next season' rant. Initially, I felt that this wouldn't have had much effect on the performances, after all, the majority of our squad were either loanees or out of contract come June. However, I hadn't taken into account the general mood around the club. It's well reported that Dickov has been like a breath of fresh air around the place and this extends to the non-playing staff too. I would even include Simon Corney himself, who must at times have felt it just wasn't worth it. My thoughts are that uncertainty about jobs brought about a sea-change in the atmosphere around the place to the extent that PD himself became entrenched to a lesser or greater degree. My point is, that it is much harder to motivate from a point of uncertainty than when you are playing with the field ahead of you. Simon, we know the job is thankless and you've been let down many times, but don't forget who is ultimately responsible for rallying the troops and placing a reassuring arm around the enfeebled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Imagine if Penney or Moore went 10 games and only scored 2 and shipped loads ? :hanged: Facebook like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 This is the price of over-achieving i guess, it sets high expectations. We should keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Dickov talks a good game, but it is becoming increasingly clear he has run out of ideas to turn this round. If we're going into the Yeovil game still shy of 50 points, we really are staring down the barrel. I don't know what the solution is, the players seem to have lost belief and enjoyment. Maybe someone was on to something with the dressing room being affected with the non-playing jokers of Purdie and Holdsworth leaving, seems daft but the body language and morale at the moment is worrying. Off the field issues haven't helped but they're in the same situation as probably two thirds of League One Players. Given that Reid is forever arguing with his team-mates, others wouldn't say boo to a goose and then you've got Jones and Taylor fighting. If I had hair I would be pulling it out. This is the worst run we've had in living memory, I know we lost 10 out of 11 in 85/86 but we scored 11 goals in that run. This run has got beyond the joke, the players have to step up to the plate no more passing the buck, its up to them to create chances, football's a simple game - they're over doing it. LIke many of us have said and the GMR commentators said on numerous occasions, we're great until we get to their box, then clueless… We lost 10 out of 11 in 2004/05, the turning point? Beckett, we need a goalscorer, if we don't get one we're doomed. We've been in this league for 14 years and pretty much every year one team handily placed at the turn of the year has dropped like a stone and our record since the turn of the year is:- P20 W4 D5 L11 F19 31 pts 17 Relegation form! Even if the ludicrous decision to sack Dickov was taken, it would be too late to turn it round with the deadline being tomorrow. I still feel his biggest mistake was going all out attack at the end of October, before then we had been a compact unit, not scoring loads but difficult to beat a continuation of that would have seen us comfortably in mid-table…. Mentioned the non-playing jokers in the dressing room leaving on chat last night.. at least someone else agrees with me that it may have affected the players looking at their body language etc.. Maybe we need someone to offer their mop to be chopped off by the players if we score a goal! Well said Prozac, His substitutions have been so frustrating its frightening . This sticking a defender up front malarky is clueless I hate it ! Its good when you have run out of subs and for the last 2 minutes but to bring a CB on in front of 2 strikers is stupid. didnt like him dropping Tarky last night , he was my MOM against a Brighton , I mean how many CBs have kept Murray that quiet? The poor lad must be gutted Also he has had a tendancy to make subs when its to late, he has been to reactive with his subs most games and its cost us. Not blaming it all on Dickov by any stretch of the imagination. The players need to look at themselves and realise they are all in this together, too many billy big balls in that team, I think with Tarky, whilst he has been thrown in at the deep end, Dickov doesn't want him to be playing games in quick succession.. Team for Tranmere game... Brill Lee Mvoto/ Trotman (Due to unknown extent of M'voto's new injury) Tarky Black Jones Stephens Furman Lewi / Taylor (Taylor to start if he is over the illness and back to fitness) Brooke Lewi/Morais/Tonk (Lewi to start with Brooke if Taylor has recovered..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Please note I am not calling for him but if we did get relegated, should he be sacked? Case For Terrible Run of form Daft subs Not able to turn it round Not able to stop freefall Case Against Great start to the season Champagne football at times Goal of the season Outside influences ara a factor. Rookie manager He will have learnt a lot Needs time like any manager should get The Goal of the season illustrates just how far we have fallen - slick, crisp passing move with a crashing shot at the end of it - that's what we are capable of - if only... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 i get the feeling if we go down, it'll be the end of the club. i can't see corney staying around, and the players out of contract will want to find another L1 club. so we've got to do enough in the next eight games and build for next season. if we did still have a club though, i'd keep hold of dickov for as long as possible because we've seen how he can get the team to play and give him a bit longer to build the team how he wants and hopefully he can learn from this awful run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Quite right Joe. The worst thing about being an Oldham fan is our ability to sack a manager too soon. Looking at what Chesterfield makes me cringe to think we sacked him after what was in effect a bit of handbags at the dogs, 3 or 4 defeats on the bounce and slipping out of the playoffs by a point or two. Moronic decision. We've had Warnock too, a manager who went on to be promoted numerous times. Different regime, I know but it still pains me that one. Keep hold of Dickov. His work ethic is top notch, up until Feb we weren't a bad side at all and we're going through what all teams and managers experience; a pretty bad run of games. It will turn around, we're not far off and losing the games by the odd goal. how long did we give big joe to get it right???? sacking at the end of the season is ridiculous even if relegated or not....after what he inherited when he took over he has still done a good job..everbody was happy with mid table....its a learning curve.. we have been crying out for a goal scorer all season long,every other positionhas been adressed,except striker....is there money available to bring a loanin tomorrow???? i doubt it...but we need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I'm not sure if it's arrogance or simple naivety from some fans here - but Dickov looks to have a good future in the game to me and if you think for one minute that he would want to stay at a club with so much uncertainty surrounding it, future and financial, after taking them down must be off your rockers! he'll be out like a shot - who could blame him? So many of us have called for so many heads of our managers, most of them, probably unecessary over the last 10 years, I'm beginning to wonder if the football gods are closing in on paying us all back. The grass is certainly never greener folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) we've pretty much been :censored:e for years and being :censored:e under Dickov doesn't feel quite as :censored:e as it did when we were :censored:e under certain other :censored:e managers at least they're trying this time we won't go down anyway but he shouldn't be sacked even if we did he may, however, leave for a better job Edited March 23, 2011 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I would be offering him a 5 year deal. I think he will come good and I can't see him walking away until he feels he can do no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I'm not sure if it's arrogance or simple naivety from some fans here - but Dickov looks to have a good future in the game to me and if you think for one minute that he would want to stay at a club with so much uncertainty surrounding it, future and financial, after taking them down must be off your rockers! he'll be out like a shot - who could blame him? So many of us have called for so many heads of our managers, most of them, probably unecessary over the last 10 years, I'm beginning to wonder if the football gods are closing in on paying us all back. The grass is certainly never greener folks. To be honest if the worst comes to the worst then Dickov is going to have on his managerial C.V. 1 season in management 1 relegation its unlikely the big clubs are going to be beating a path to get him if thats the case. However I do think sticking with him is the best option an he should do enough between now and the end of the season to steer us home and I would like to see him give 2-3 more attempts atleast to get it right here and build a squad steadily not ripping it up and starting again although with the uncertainty surrounding the club at the moment he may not get that opportunity I hope the summer brings some kind of stability but I'm nervous though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 We should be extended PD's contract and allow him to finish the job that he's started. This has been his first ever season as a manager and a very steep learning curve. We've seen so many positives and his style of play is light years ahead of what we've witnessed since Shez left. Yes he's made some mistakes, made one or two dodgy signings and some tactical decisions have made you scratch your head but I can only see this club progressing under one person and that's Dickov. Allow him the chance to make a few playing changes, retain the stronger players and release the weak links and we can do something next season. Question is whether the owners can afford to sign him up on a long-term deal and provide him with a stable environment to progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 we've pretty much been :censored:e for years and being :censored:e under Dickov doesn't feel quite as :censored:e as it did when we were :censored:e under certain other :censored:e managers at least they're trying this time we won't go down anyway but he shouldn't be sacked even if we did he may, however, leave for a better job are they ? They dont look to have tried half as much since they wasnt paid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) Looking back over the season, Hartlepool at home aside, our run of great form and performances left us at the end of November. December was a write-off but January at least brought upper mid-table results. I agree that the loss of Holdsworth and Purdie (and M'Voto for Tonks) may have had an effect on morale. However, there is a turning point in our season that can be clearly identified - Corney's 'we won't be at Boundary Park next season' rant. Initially, I felt that this wouldn't have had much effect on the performances, after all, the majority of our squad were either loanees or out of contract come June. However, I hadn't taken into account the general mood around the club. It's well reported that Dickov has been like a breath of fresh air around the place and this extends to the non-playing staff too. I would even include Simon Corney himself, who must at times have felt it just wasn't worth it. My thoughts are that uncertainty about jobs brought about a sea-change in the atmosphere around the place to the extent that PD himself became entrenched to a lesser or greater degree. My point is, that it is much harder to motivate from a point of uncertainty than when you are playing with the field ahead of you. Simon, we know the job is thankless and you've been let down many times, but don't forget who is ultimately responsible for rallying the troops and placing a reassuring arm around the enfeebled. That's a good point JP, it was the enforced break for the weather that seemed to derail us, when we finally got a game everyone said the form had desserted us. We've been on a downward spiral ever since. THey say football is a mental game, 90% inspiration, 10% perspiration, so maybe it is that old mental strength thing. I am sure Dickov has it, everything in his career indicates it, just some of the younger players who possibly have never truly experienced uncertainty like the possibility of losing your job. I don't know hat it is. It's not normally one thing, is it, a culmination of things. My view is the mian facor is focus. Distracted in the last 20 mins, distracted when ahead in a game, distracted by the stadium, distracted by players leaving, distracted by non payment of wages. And to be fair, that is down to the mananger to sort. which I beleive he can. Edited March 24, 2011 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Big last 8 games for PD which i think will make or break him as a manager. hopefully he will come through it a better manager and have a successful season next !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 If we want a parrallel, and I think there are quite a few in football like Old Red Nose and our own Joe Royle,there is one in Rugby too. Tony Smith now at Warrington, which some will know. I posted similar on the Roughyeds site. Seeing Warrington's result against Quins it does make Warrington the template, they had 11,000 + there from a 80,000 population. And in Tony Smith, who got Giants relegated and then lost the first 13 games before finally getting the Giants back the season after, shows what can be achieved by sticking by someone in adversity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 If we were to let Dickov go, I can see him "doing a Shez" and going on to manage another club and doing a good job. That all depends if Dickov would be bankrolled to build a League One standard/budgeted team in League Two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 That's a good point JP, it was the enforced break for the weather that seemed to derail us, when we finally got a game everyone said the form had desserted us. We've been on a downward spiral ever since. That reasoning wasn't acceptable last season...now ironically, we need a bit of last seasons grit and backbone to halt the slide. Not sure if we've got it. Wouldn't get rid of Dickov but then, I wouldn't have got rid of other past managers when we did, bar the one (BT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 That reasoning wasn't acceptable last season...now ironically, we need a bit of last seasons grit and backbone to halt the slide. Not sure if we've got it. Wouldn't get rid of Dickov but then, I wouldn't have got rid of other past managers when we did, bar the one (BT). Indeed. Sooner or later we will pick a duffer as manager. That will see us relegated. A manager needs three YEARS to mould his team. Let's give him that and see where we are. Like we should have the others*. *I won't start on another Sheridan sacked rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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