rudemedic Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Everyone is out of contract except for Lee, Jones, Furman, Taylor, Millar, Feeney, Brooke, Bembo-Leta (all contracted to 2012) and Stephens (2013). That's 14 players out of contract this summer (not including Dickov) and one likely to be sold. There are also six squad players on non-contract or youth terms (Gerrard, Tarkowski, Carr, Winchester, Burns and Crompton) who could walk. I think this could be a good year to be a youth team player, as I think we will be offering more contracts to them this year as they are cheap and some that wouldn't perhaps get one might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Everyone is out of contract except for Lee, Jones, Furman, Taylor, Millar, Feeney, Brooke, Bembo-Leta (all contracted to 2012) and Stephens (2013). That's 14 players out of contract this summer (not including Dickov) and one likely to be sold. There are also six squad players on non-contract or youth terms (Gerrard, Tarkowski, Carr, Winchester, Burns and Crompton) who could walk. Trying to find a positive, that's a reasonable starting point to base a team around (plus Feeney....). I think we have to resign ourselves to losing Stephens and probably Taylor. Got to find the cash to get Tarky signed up on a longer deal. After that Dickov (if he hasn't had enough and done one by then.....) will have to use his contacts for loans again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 If we dont pay the players surely thats a breach of their contracts and they could all go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) If we dont pay the players surely thats a breach of their contracts and they could all go? Yep. It's going to be a struggle from now until the end of the season, Surely, though, it would be easier for the club to pay the wages over the summer if they only had 8 first-team players to pay, when all the out of contracts have gone? Not ideal preparation for next season, but at least we'd still be in business. Edited March 26, 2011 by JoeP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Yep. It's going to be a struggle from now until the end of the season, Surely, though, it would be easier for the club to pay the wages over the summer if they only had 8 first-team players to pay, when all the out of contracts have gone? Not ideal preparation for next season, but at least we'd still be in business. ...and I reckon we could offload/sell three of those in Lee, Taylor and Furman. That'd leave Jones, Millar, Feeney, Brooke and Bembo-Leta. Of which only Jones and Feeney will be on a wage of any level. So the players could become irrelevent financially. The ground/lease of another ground could be a problem though. Along with the fortunes we'll owe various companies/people. Edited March 26, 2011 by OldhamSheridan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Yep. It's going to be a struggle from now until the end of the season, Surely, though, it would be easier for the club to pay the wages over the summer if they only had 8 first-team players to pay, when all the out of contracts have gone? Not ideal preparation for next season, but at least we'd still be in business. The thing with player contracts is that they end on 30 June, but you are still obliged to pay them in July, even if they have been released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The thing with player contracts is that they end on 30 June, but you are still obliged to pay them in July, even if they have been released. What? We have to pay people out of a fixed term contract? That sounds like the kind of madness only the Football league could come up with. Wouldn't stand a hope in hell in a court of law would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 What? We have to pay people out of a fixed term contract? That sounds like the kind of madness only the Football league could come up with. Wouldn't stand a hope in hell in a court of law would it? Football really is unlike any other business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The thing with player contracts is that they end on 30 June, but you are still obliged to pay them in July, even if they have been released. Oh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Apparently it dates back to the old Football League (pre-Premier League days) and maximum wage. For obvious reasons the PFA aren't keen to see it go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 What? We have to pay people out of a fixed term contract? That sounds like the kind of madness only the Football league could come up with. Wouldn't stand a hope in hell in a court of law would it? It would in any other line of work if that is how the contract was written e.g "Fixed term 2 year contract for work from date xx to date yy (xx + 2 years) with a final extra payment on date xx + 1 month." It's hardly a surprise for the board and should have been budgeted for. Then again, taking on extra players without proper regard to the budget seems to have been the order of the day so who knows what the board is doing with the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWeaver Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 DICKOV OUT!!! This has nothing to do with Dickov this is boardroom issue,granted Oldhams performance on the pitch may be a reflection of what is going on behind the scenes but Dickov shouldn't be tarred with the brush of a bad manager WE HAVE NO MONEY and are stuck in this vicious circle Players can only go out (Stephens) nothing is gonna come in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 27, 2011 Author Share Posted March 27, 2011 This has nothing to do with Dickov this is boardroom issue,granted Oldhams performance on the pitch may be a reflection of what is going on behind the scenes but Dickov shouldn't be tarred with the brush of a bad manager WE HAVE NO MONEY and are stuck in this vicious circle Players can only go out (Stephens) nothing is gonna come in Welcome to owtb. Within the natural state of depression being a Latics fan brings, there is occasional humour. I suspect you've just replied to a very tongue in cheek comment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SholverBlue Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 According to a site on Google, OWTB is worth over 10 Grand. Hmmm... Maybe we could sell it to the Russians and pay the players wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 It would in any other line of work if that is how the contract was written e.g "Fixed term 2 year contract for work from date xx to date yy (xx + 2 years) with a final extra payment on date xx + 1 month." It's hardly a surprise for the board and should have been budgeted for. Then again, taking on extra players without proper regard to the budget seems to have been the order of the day so who knows what the board is doing with the numbers. I imagine it was budgeted for but budgets are only estimates and the income side must be way out. Would agree on the extra players point though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensonio Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Walsall FC manages to stay in the black. It gets income from a Sunday market held outside the stadium, with about 250 stalls selling a huge range of all new products. The market trades every week and is the biggest Sunday market in the Midlands. Has been done before used to be a regular car boot/sunday market on the car park but if memory serves me right traders on tommyfield objected as it was supposedly affecting trade and the council pulled or restricted the liecence Tommyfield is just a car park now anyways. Couldn't we have just offered competitive rates so they coud have their stalls at BP? Should look into this as an idea over summer if not sooner as lot of people are using car boots as an extra source of income in this 'recession' to boost coffers and get rid of unneeded stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Tommyfield is just a car park now anyways. Couldn't we have just offered competitive rates so they coud have their stalls at BP? Should look into this as an idea over summer if not sooner as lot of people are using car boots as an extra source of income in this 'recession' to boost coffers and get rid of unneeded stuff. I can#t believe how much the Council has stiched usup, but yes, i think it it worth looking at this again, expe4cially as they seem to be talking now. not hat I ahve any idea about Car bok Sale economics, but they seem to generate q fair amount of money. Would the problem be Blitz wanting a cut? but we could chip some of the debt? Edited March 28, 2011 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 If we are on the edge of Admin why the hell would we sign Jason Lowe and more importantly why would Blackburn let him come here!!! We have quite a few midfielders on the books so it really doesn't make any sense. We also have the players presentation night a month away....why would the White Hart take a booking if the club was in such a financial mess. The club are still advertising this 'Evolution' on the main website.....things don't quite add up. I know they have to carry on for as long as possible but why no word from the trust????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 If we are on the edge of Admin why the hell would we sign Jason Lowe and more importantly why would Blackburn let him come here!!! errm, because hes free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Trying to find a positive, that's a reasonable starting point to base a team around (plus Feeney....). I think we have to resign ourselves to losing Stephens and probably Taylor. Got to find the cash to get Tarky signed up on a longer deal. After that Dickov (if he hasn't had enough and done one by then.....) will have to use his contacts for loans again. As Rudemedic says, it might not be a bad time to be a 2nd year scholar - if you're on the 50-50 list; I think our financial situation means you've more of a chance of staying than you might have done previously.... signing 3/4/5 of the youth team on 1 year pro deals to fill out the squad will surely be cheaper in wages than going out and getting released established players on free transfers? I'd also imagine that Stephens is a goner; deal will be done in the summer for an 'undisclosed fee' transfer - and TBH I'd expect another one from Lee, Furman or Taylor will also go......doesnt leave us with much in terms of quality or numbers......but the numbers one plays into our hands somewhat given our current inabiliy to pay the staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 The point is that he may be free (doubt if entirely free cos probably have to pay his expenses, insurance etc), but is he keeping out a player that we are paying wages for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 The point is that he may be free (doubt if entirely free cos probably have to pay his expenses, insurance etc), but is he keeping out a player that we are paying wages for! So what does Administration have to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Have they been paid yet? (apologies if this has been answered - I'm at work & can't file through all the posts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Have they been paid yet? (apologies if this has been answered - I'm at work & can't file through all the posts) Several of them in Tescos doing a big shop yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Several of them in Tescos doing a big shop yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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