garcon Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I am certain that when we see it tomorrow the council report will stipulate that any council grant money must be used to directly fund the building of a new north stand. Which potentially leads to all kinds of contractual and legal complications, not least with respect to the ownership of the land. I say "certain" - in truth this council is capable of all kinds of craziness. I'd love to see where McMahon and co think this money is going to come from. It certainly isn't in the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 There are still many hurdles to vault over before these proposals are signed, sealed and delivered. At this early stage in the latest chapter of this saga, and better late than never, the Report to be considered by the Cabinet acknowledges for the first time the value of Latics to the town: 7.1 Oldham Athletic FC have been delivering professional football in the Borough for many years and, as with many professional clubs, operates a Football in the Community Scheme and wider community programme through the Oldham Community Trust. Predominantly it delivers football related activity either in the community or within schools. The Trust has been operating for 10 years in each of the 6 districts of the Borough. The Trust has a number of staff that supports the programme and includes a range of staff including coaches, and some specifically FA funded specialist roles. Staffing levels equate to over 50 of which a number can be assumed to live within the Borough. The retention of the Club in the borough will enable the existing activities to continue and enable a permanent home for the Community Trust. The club have an aspiration to create a true Community Stadium with facilities which could cater for a range of activities. 7.2 The economic benefit that a football club can bring to the town should not be underestimated. Oldham Athletic report that the financial benefit to Oldham is in the region of £1.3 million between the club and the Community Trust. Although this figure can not all be directly attributed it is important to recognise that having a thriving football club in the Borough is important for the economy of the Town. The town benefits economically for a number of reasons which includes the income it generates from visiting supporters, spend in local businesses, transport and media interest. In addition the club through its Trust generates direct grant funds to support its community programme. The success of the club is key to increased economic benefit. For example just one season in the premier league for a newly promoted team is estimated to be worth over £90 million to a Borough or city. The more successful, the more people want to watch resulting in more people visiting the town spending more money. Without a football club the town would suffer economically. 7.3 Football still has a vast social value and importance within the town. Oldham Athletic play a key role and would need to ensure that it maintains this as one of its core purposes and strive to continually improve their relationships with supporters , the Local Authority, residents and businesses. 7.4 The town benefits from the ‘feel good factor of Oldham Athletic’ – by simply having a presence in the town and in particular if the club is successful. 7.7 In addition to the economic and social benefit the Trust and Club deliver added value through direct delivery of activity and or partner in various other programmes which support the Borough in delivering its Corporate Objectives and Community Strategy. Specifically they deliver under the theme of Safer and Strong Communities (as mentioned above) and Health and Wellbeing. Activity has also supported the increase in NI110 young people’s participation, NI1 - people who believe people from different backgrounds get on well together in their local area, NI6 - participation in volunteering and NI8 - Adult participation in sport. 7.8 The current activities include: - Paid dinner time sessions, lesson sessions and after school clubs at schools across the Borough, - Paid breakfast & healthy lunchbox clubs - Quit It (anti-smoking scheme), - Support on delivery of activity on the MEND programme (Mind, exercise, nutrition, do it!), - Support with other partners Ability Counts football (Disability programme) - Delivering the Kick It Out (anti-racism initiative) and the Kickz scheme. - Delivery of the football Academy programme - Support the Borough Study Support programme in partnership with Integrated Youth. The club fund the accommodation costs for the centre. 7.9 This as reported by the club includes the delivery of activity to 10,000 participants in its football related schemes, 2,000 activity sessions, over 3,500 hours of sessions and signposting people to employment and training opportunities. 7.10 The club are also part of the Go! Oldham programme and is able to support Borough wide provision and also offer football as a targeted intervention. In doing so the club/trust supports the Borough in reducing ASB and increasing levels of participation. This may be the first positive step on that journey to take the Club onwards and upwards, but I'm not yet convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 anyone know what time we could be hearing if the council have accepted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 There are still many hurdles to vault over before these proposals are signed, sealed and delivered. At this early stage in the latest chapter of this saga, and better late than never, the Report to be considered by the Cabinet acknowledges for the first time the value of Latics to the town: 7.1 Oldham Athletic FC have been delivering professional football in the Borough for many years and, as with many professional clubs, operates a Football in the Community Scheme and wider community programme through the Oldham Community Trust. Predominantly it delivers football related activity either in the community or within schools. The Trust has been operating for 10 years in each of the 6 districts of the Borough. The Trust has a number of staff that supports the programme and includes a range of staff including coaches, and some specifically FA funded specialist roles. Staffing levels equate to over 50 of which a number can be assumed to live within the Borough. The retention of the Club in the borough will enable the existing activities to continue and enable a permanent home for the Community Trust. The club have an aspiration to create a true Community Stadium with facilities which could cater for a range of activities. 7.2 The economic benefit that a football club can bring to the town should not be underestimated. Oldham Athletic report that the financial benefit to Oldham is in the region of £1.3 million between the club and the Community Trust. Although this figure can not all be directly attributed it is important to recognise that having a thriving football club in the Borough is important for the economy of the Town. The town benefits economically for a number of reasons which includes the income it generates from visiting supporters, spend in local businesses, transport and media interest. In addition the club through its Trust generates direct grant funds to support its community programme. The success of the club is key to increased economic benefit. For example just one season in the premier league for a newly promoted team is estimated to be worth over £90 million to a Borough or city. The more successful, the more people want to watch resulting in more people visiting the town spending more money. Without a football club the town would suffer economically. 7.3 Football still has a vast social value and importance within the town. Oldham Athletic play a key role and would need to ensure that it maintains this as one of its core purposes and strive to continually improve their relationships with supporters , the Local Authority, residents and businesses. 7.4 The town benefits from the ‘feel good factor of Oldham Athletic’ – by simply having a presence in the town and in particular if the club is successful. 7.7 In addition to the economic and social benefit the Trust and Club deliver added value through direct delivery of activity and or partner in various other programmes which support the Borough in delivering its Corporate Objectives and Community Strategy. Specifically they deliver under the theme of Safer and Strong Communities (as mentioned above) and Health and Wellbeing. Activity has also supported the increase in NI110 young people’s participation, NI1 - people who believe people from different backgrounds get on well together in their local area, NI6 - participation in volunteering and NI8 - Adult participation in sport. 7.8 The current activities include: - Paid dinner time sessions, lesson sessions and after school clubs at schools across the Borough, - Paid breakfast & healthy lunchbox clubs - Quit It (anti-smoking scheme), - Support on delivery of activity on the MEND programme (Mind, exercise, nutrition, do it!), - Support with other partners Ability Counts football (Disability programme) - Delivering the Kick It Out (anti-racism initiative) and the Kickz scheme. - Delivery of the football Academy programme - Support the Borough Study Support programme in partnership with Integrated Youth. The club fund the accommodation costs for the centre. 7.9 This as reported by the club includes the delivery of activity to 10,000 participants in its football related schemes, 2,000 activity sessions, over 3,500 hours of sessions and signposting people to employment and training opportunities. 7.10 The club are also part of the Go! Oldham programme and is able to support Borough wide provision and also offer football as a targeted intervention. In doing so the club/trust supports the Borough in reducing ASB and increasing levels of participation. This may be the first positive step on that journey to take the Club onwards and upwards, but I'm not yet convinced. Agree with you Diego fact it is there using the word community as a focal point shows they need add things that will generate income 12 months a year. Personally its a good idea and a good step forward but i still feel this is Oldham council saying ok there is no where else left to build within the borough. Here is the cash take it or lump it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Agree with you Diego fact it is there using the word community as a focal point shows they need add things that will generate income 12 months a year. Personally its a good idea and a good step forward but i still feel this is Oldham council saying ok there is no where else left to build within the borough. Here is the cash take it or lump it. do you not think its more a case of the council saying...look we know we dropped you in the :censored: with failsworth,if we give you this cash please dont sue us... and yes,there are plenty of other places available to build on in oldham... so if were going down the community route,in reality what could they put in to the build????? as i see it if its going to have a hotel and conferencing facilities,there wont be any room for community things...we cant put a cinema into it,there building one in hollinwood,and possible a bowling alley....so i really dont see this new stand being a community project,money will be made from hotel group and conferencing,which makes a mint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I am certain that when we see it tomorrow the council report will stipulate that any council grant money must be used to directly fund the building of a new north stand. Which potentially leads to all kinds of contractual and legal complications, not least with respect to the ownership of the land. Not really. A stipulation that the money can only be used for a stand is no problem. An additional stipulation that ensures the football club leases the land the whole ground sits on until a specified year (more likely than not 10 years in the future) covers off the legal complications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 do you not think its more a case of the council saying...look we know we dropped you in the :censored: with failsworth,if we give you this cash please dont sue us... That's exactly it IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 do you not think its more a case of the council saying...look we know we dropped you in the :censored: with failsworth,if we give you this cash please dont sue us... and yes,there are plenty of other places available to build on in oldham... so if were going down the community route,in reality what could they put in to the build????? as i see it if its going to have a hotel and conferencing facilities,there wont be any room for community things...we cant put a cinema into it,there building one in hollinwood,and possible a bowling alley....so i really dont see this new stand being a community project,money will be made from hotel group and conferencing,which makes a mint... build a 5-a-side complex like what they have in East Didsbury, they also have one in the Norfolk Park area of Sheffied they make a fortune (something like £100,000 a pitch profit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 build a 5-a-side complex like what they have in East Didsbury, they also have one in the Norfolk Park area of Sheffied they make a fortune (something like £100,000 a pitch profit) They would make alot off that. Take Soccer factory in Rochdale for instance. They have a tuesday and thursday night league, With KO times between 7 and 9:20 with all teams paying £27 each every week. They must make a bomb also they can rent the pitches out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 build a 5-a-side complex like what they have in East Didsbury, they also have one in the Norfolk Park area of Sheffied they make a fortune (something like £100,000 a pitch profit) how big do you think this stand is going to be???? have you any idea of the size it would need to have a five a side complex built into it... plus the fact that this money,listening to all whos talking means that the council will own the lancaster club and the land it sits on,and are already talking about making it a community sports or athletics complex... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 so we have one party (council) saying that the 5.7 million has to be used for a new stand, and another party (Corney) saying that most of the money will be going to Blitz and Gazall to pay them back for the land at Failsworth, leaving 'not much left' to build a stand with? A long long long way to go methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Ignorance is bliss on this one. I'm pretending none of this ever happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 so we have one party (council) saying that the 5.7 million has to be used for a new stand, and another party (Corney) saying that most of the money will be going to Blitz and Gazall to pay them back for the land at Failsworth, leaving 'not much left' to build a stand with? A long long long way to go methinks. a very long way to go....the council need to be seen to be doing something,they have now announced plans to regenerate hollinwood and are saying the lancaster club can become some form of sports complex...and are also saying the money is for a stand only.... corneys saying his mates are gonna get some....cant see it,council wont allow it...plus blitz has always said he wont call his loans in in a hurry until were financially sound...be an interesting week this one i feel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Sorry, I must have missed something when I've been reading what has been said. Where do Mr. Corney say Blitz and Gazal are going to get something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Sorry, I must have missed something when I've been reading what has been said. Where do Mr. Corney say Blitz and Gazal are going to get something? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14325222.stm Listen to the interview with Corney, its on there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 how big do you think this stand is going to be???? have you any idea of the size it would need to have a five a side complex built into it... plus the fact that this money,listening to all whos talking means that the council will own the lancaster club and the land it sits on,and are already talking about making it a community sports or athletics complex... it was what was planned for Failsworth, I'm not sure it can be built at Boundary Park but the one in Norfolk Park in Sheffield is in a pretty small space on land that used to be owned by a local school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14325222.stm Listen to the interview with Corney, its on there Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 Mike Keegan is doing a live commentry from the meeting on twitter if anyone fancies keeping up with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Mike Keegan is doing a live commentry from the meeting on twitter if anyone fancies keeping up with it. link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dec666 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 link? Mike Keegan twitter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyOAFC Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/mikekeeganmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Only reporting on press release afterwards I think as press and public are excluded from the part of the meeting discussing Latics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Thanks Ant and Dec for the links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Thanks Ant and Dec for the links Keegan's just tweeted, it's a done deal… mikekeeganmen Mike Keegan Deal is done. #oafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Keegan's just tweeted, it's a done deal… mikekeeganmen Mike Keegan Deal is done. #oafc beat me to it, I just hope theres more to it .........and Anderson has just got another wicket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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