BP1960 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) In the old days clubs used to share home gate reciepts with the away club, do you think this should be brought back as being talked about in Scotland ? Edited March 19, 2012 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Yes. But I can't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 It would very much be a double edged sword while we would clearly beenfit from a day at Hillsborough or Bramhall Lane in an agreement like that what about when we Brentford, Yeovil or orient at home who bring up about 100 in a 3500 crowd yet they take a 40 % cut of the gate reciepts. We would also have lost out on the extra cash that the 4000 fans that both sheffield clubs bought over as we would have to share that. You would also have to think about Season ticket income would that be included or would it not if not then you could see clubs getting round this by offering cheap season tickets so that they maximise their income and reduc the pay on the day custom. You also have to think about how it would affect offers such as March madness would other clubs have to agree to discounts and promotions so you might see a reduction in those, so it could be alot more hassle and red tape for fairly little reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 It would very much be a double edged sword while we would clearly beenfit from a day at Hillsborough or Bramhall Lane in an agreement like that what about when we Brentford, Yeovil or orient at home who bring up about 100 in a 3500 crowd yet they take a 40 % cut of the gate reciepts. We would also have lost out on the extra cash that the 4000 fans that both sheffield clubs bought over as we would have to share that. You would also have to think about Season ticket income would that be included or would it not if not then you could see clubs getting round this by offering cheap season tickets so that they maximise their income and reduc the pay on the day custom. You also have to think about how it would affect offers such as March madness would other clubs have to agree to discounts and promotions so you might see a reduction in those, so it could be alot more hassle and red tape for fairly little reward. Given we have about the worst home crods going, I can't see how we would lost out to this. Ain't going to happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Good idea but it wont happen. More chance of maybe giving away teams 10% of the gate but sadly in football greed is the word. Bigger clubs like the two Sheffield sides and Bradford in League 2 wont want to share money, will proberly argue why they have to help smaller clubs out. Or further use it as an excuse to up prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamandy1 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 It could lead to clubs hiking the prices up to limit the damage of losing the income from home games, but would perhaps help us and hurt bigger teams. All for it, would also give fans a reason to travel to away games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.hill12 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Maybe 40% of the away gate would be more sensible. It wud encourage people to ho to away games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 What a fantastic proposal... And just what football needs... Just a shame it would never happen with the greed in the game. If we was pulling big crowds I am sure we wouldn't be too keen on it. And there lies the problem in football... too much greed, too much self interest.... sigh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Regarding season ticket sales... You could simply give 40% of the income to the league.. and then the league would divide all the 40%s up between all teams... That alone would be a radical improvement in the stability of the league. If you think about it logically it is seriously :censored:ed up... The club plays 40+ games in a season... but they get paid for playing 20+ of those games... Any one with a half a brain cell can spot the financial problems with that one as a structure. Personally I would being in a 100% rule and do it properly... Edited March 20, 2012 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Regarding season ticket sales... You could simply give 40% of the income to the league.. and then the league would divide all the 40%s up between all teams... That alone would be a radical improvement in the stability of the league. If you think about it logically it is seriously :censored:ed up... The club plays 40+ games in a season... but they get paid for playing 20+ of those games... Any one with a half a brain cell can spot the financial problems with that one as a structure. Personally I would being in a 100% rule and do it properly... The Premier League would never agree, but they are run as a separate entity to the FL anyway. But the 72 League clubs should give their heads a wobble, this would give many clubs a real shot at sustainability provided it was linked to the salary cap. As for the present system we have to thank the Big 5 in the late 80s. United, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and Tottenham….Greed is good….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 The Premier League would never agree, but they are run as a separate entity to the FL anyway. But the 72 League clubs should give their heads a wobble, this would give many clubs a real shot at sustainability provided it was linked to the salary cap. As for the present system we have to thank the Big 5 in the late 80s. United, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and Tottenham….Greed is good….. It's worked for them as they have virually maintained their status ever since, the Premier League won't change anyting, but may be worthy of discussion at Football League level ? One problem though might be if a club goes into adminitation and owes away clubs money, to stop that any gate receipts would have to transfered to the away club asp. It worked pre 1983 though so should in effect work now as it does in cup competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamandy1 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 The 75% rule will help, this rule could also be good for clubs but I would also allow artificial (spelling) pitches, a more equal TV revenue system and even bring in a funds and grants system for clubs to improve stadiums, training bases, etc. the EPP will hurt clubs though. The fact is if football continues the way it is going, we will be left with no choice to either go bust or join with another club. I might be paranoid but with the EPP coming in it looks like the top Premier League sides would be quite happy to get rid of clubs like us, it would create room for their reserve sides to enter the football league. It would also provide little competition for fans, tv money and a Premier League without relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 It would very much be a double edged sword it woudl indeed be double edged but one side woudl be agreat deal sharper than the other! Won't happen and in all honesty why should it? Tesco don't have to give 40% of their receipts to Morrisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) As for the present system we have to thank the Big 5 in the late 80s. United, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and Tottenham….Greed is good….. maybe we should just blame the founder members of the Premier League. D'Oh! The salary cap is cobblers in my view. I can see no reason whatsoever why a rich bloke shouldn't be able to spend what he likes a la Whelan. What I would do is make such owners pay a bond which would cover contracts in the event that they did a runner a la Moore. Edited March 20, 2012 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 maybe we should just blame the founder members of the Premier Leaguie. D'Oh! We have to accept some of the blame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 The salary cap is cobblers in my view. I can see no reason whatsoever why a rich bloke shouldn't be able to spend what he likes a la Whelan. What I would do is make such owners pay a bond which would cover contracts in the event that they did a runner a la Moore. Then there is no hope for Football, fair play or the future stability of its finances. The ultimate outcome of this approach is some clubs will be pushed out of existence as is happening right now. Its the core reason. If one club has all the money with no limits then the bottom can only squeezed out. Its like Tesco vs the Corner shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Then there is no hope for Football, fair play or the future stability of its finances. The ultimate outcome of this approach is some clubs will be pushed out of existence as is happening right now. Its the core reason. If one club has all the money with no limits then the bottom can only squeezed out. Its like Tesco vs the Corner shop. THIS People say that Football Club's are different, they're an integral part of the fabric and identity of a community. Football clubs expect special treatment and fans want nay expect their club to survive. But is a football club any different from the factories and mills that were central to this community, the working mens' clubs, the pubs, chippies, libraries, swimming pools, cinemas etc that have all gone to the wall? Why should the football club be any different if not enough demand remains? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Just to clarify when people are referring to a salary cap, would this cap be a set percentage of a clubs income, or would it be a flat our ceiling dependant on the league you were in e.g. League 1 clubs can spend no more than 2 million a year on the playing staff, League 2 can spend no more than 1 million per year, championship clubs no more than 4 million etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Just to clarify when people are referring to a salary cap, would this cap be a set percentage of a clubs income, or would it be a flat our ceiling dependant on the league you were in e.g. League 1 clubs can spend no more than 2 million a year on the playing staff, League 2 can spend no more than 1 million per year, championship clubs no more than 4 million etc. League Two already has a salary cap in place that limits a club's spending on players' wages to 60% of turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Just to clarify when people are referring to a salary cap, would this cap be a set percentage of a clubs income, or would it be a flat our ceiling dependant on the league you were in e.g. League 1 clubs can spend no more than 2 million a year on the playing staff, League 2 can spend no more than 1 million per year, championship clubs no more than 4 million etc. Share ALL the money between ALL the teams... Set the maximum spending limits across ALL teams... and so on... Its the only realistic way to ensure the survival of 92 professional clubs... Or just the league clubs anyway... Anything other than that then you are operating on a free capitalist market principle and you get everything that goes with that. Ask that corner shop owner all about that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 League Two already has a salary cap in place that limits a club's spending on players' wages to 60% of turnover. All that does is restrict a clubs ability to compete though in favour of some sort of financial control... Its nothing more than a none waterproof plaster in a swimming pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Just to clarify when people are referring to a salary cap, would this cap be a set percentage of a clubs income, or would it be a flat our ceiling dependant on the league you were in e.g. League 1 clubs can spend no more than 2 million a year on the playing staff, League 2 can spend no more than 1 million per year, championship clubs no more than 4 million etc. Usually a percentage of income which as the bigger clubs obviously generate most income will ineveitably mean that, in general, the rich will get richer anyway and there will be no chance of smaller clubs ever competing. Let's says that tomorrow a dyed in the wool, born and bred Latics fan turns up willing to spend £50m on a new stadium and long term investment in the team - would anyone say no on thre grouns it wouldn't be fair to, say, Bury? People were keen enough when it was Moore, never mind a Whelan type figure who actually cares. Never understand why people have a go at Wigan. So they haven't got much of a history but they've got a rich owner; lucky them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) League Two already has a salary cap in place that limits a club's spending on players' wages to 60% of turnover. Tell Notts County or Crawley that! Is there a sanction for breaking it? Edited March 20, 2012 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Tell Notts County or Crawley that! Is there a sanction for breaking it? Haven't both got mega rich investors, if so I assume turnover includes the money they put in ? Edited March 20, 2012 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ritchie Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 It would make the league a lot more even. If money was distributed evenly we would see competitive games every game. As no one team would be miles out in front of another. It would be a welcome boost for the smaller teams. Sadly the teams with influence in football have bigger crowds and wouldn't let it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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