4froale Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/70414/latics-say-no-to-agents AGENTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 What does this mean exactly? That the agents are after a bung? I hope we're not cutting our nose off to spite our face. Who cares how much the agent gets as long as it still fits within the overall deal and what we think a player is worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I'd pay an agent a couple of grand if we get the player who can put us up the table. The chron is still repeating what it said last about wesolowski signing soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I think the inference could be that some agents are saying, "Pay me a few extra quid and I'll get my boy to sign for you. If not, we'll go and find another mug who will." Could be way off the mark and I'm only saying could be because I don't fancy facing a law suit. If that's the case, I wouldn't be held to ransom either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shefflatic Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 all the club is saying is that THE CLUB are not going to be paying any fees to agents when signing players. they will be told to ask their player to pay them their cut out of their own salary and that they will not be paid by the club directly.s some agrnts are paid fees via their player or by clubs directly - we are simply not paying any agent directly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I'm not surprised one bit, the agents need to get to grips with reality. Players wages are inevitably going to go down at our level to meet the reduced income that clubs are making Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4froale Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) all the club is saying is that THE CLUB are not going to be paying any fees to agents when signing players. they will be told to ask their player to pay them their cut out of their own salary and that they will not be paid by the club directly.s some agrnts are paid fees via their player or by clubs directly - we are simply not paying any agent directly As perfect as that would be wouldnt that just put the players off signing. Agents are a joke but they are everywhere , if we refuse to pay there fee's then they aint gunna reccomend a player to sign for us , its as simple as that. If we take that attitude then we are going to miss out on 90% of our targets. Edited June 6, 2012 by 4froale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 As perfect as that would be wouldnt that just put the players off signing. Agents are a joke but they are everywhere , if we refuse to pay there fee's then they aint gunna reccomend a player to sign for us , its as simple as that. If we take that attitude then we are going to miss out on 90% of our targets. Can't see this as accurate. We only paid £4k in agents fees last year and there's no way we missed out on such a high proportion of targets..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Tough talking on the ‘two weeks to decide’ and now to save about £4492 in fees. Well the first didn’t happen so will this? I just hope Lactics are not in the minority but I suspect it is not all for one and one for all but rather everyone for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4froale Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Can't see this as accurate. We only paid £4k in agents fees last year and there's no way we missed out on such a high proportion of targets..... If you was a player and two clubs were offering you money , but one wanted you to pay agent fee's out of your own pocket and the other offered to pay them for you who would you join. i appreciate what the club is trying to do is right , i totally agree that agents are useless arseholes who screw clubs put of money but at the end of the day that is how it is , like it or lump it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 If you was a player and two clubs were offering you money , but one wanted you to pay agent fee's out of your own pocket and the other offered to pay them for you who would you join. i appreciate what the club is trying to do is right , i totally agree that agents are useless arseholes who screw clubs put of money but at the end of the day that is how it is , like it or lump it. But you still haven't explained where you get your 90% figure from.... Last season agents would have acted in precisely the same way but are you seriously saying that for every player we signed we lost out on 9 ??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4froale Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) the 9/10 is exaggerated , but think how many players are money-orientated , its a tough world there atm and players are gunna go for the best they can get, we did miss out on a hell of a lot of targets last year (some due to agents fees etc) and look how we ended up , the better players cost more money like it or not, and the job of an agent is to get the players the best contract they can, an agent aint gunna reccomend a player to a club who has no interest in paying their fees. Edited June 6, 2012 by 4froale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 We might not be paying the agents fees but that might mean we can pay the players more. If an agent wants £10k in order to sign a player earning £50k pa that's 20% of the wages. We could offer the player more money if we wanted him and leave it to the player to pay his agent the usual fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 We might not be paying the agents fees but that might mean we can pay the players more. If an agent wants £10k in order to sign a player earning £50k pa that's 20% of the wages. We could offer the player more money if we wanted him and leave it to the player to pay his agent the usual fee. Given that would cost us more due to the on costs of employment (NI and, ahem, pensions) that would be somewhat self defeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Players should pay agents commision themselves, not clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Greedy agents are killing the game in the lower divisions and is why there appears to be a lack of loyalty with players these days....it's in the best interests of agents that their players are moving to new clubs every season as that way they make more cash. I really can't see the point of an agent anyway.......if you can't sort out your own contract with a club that desperately requires yor services then there's something wrong upstairs!!!!....If a player wants to use an agent then fine but I think all clubs should refuse to pay them and make it the responsibility of the player to pay their own fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Given that would cost us more due to the on costs of employment (NI and, ahem, pensions) that would be somewhat self defeating. So if we offered the player an extra £100pw, so £5000 pa we would have to pay the same again in NI and pension contributions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 So if we offered the player an extra £100pw, so £5000 pa we would have to pay the same again in NI and pension contributions? If a player chooses to use the services of an agent it's his choice and the fees come out of the players contract....why should we pay more to a player so he can pay his agent with it? At the end of the day a player gets what a club can afford...simple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 As perfect as that would be wouldnt that just put the players off signing. Agents are a joke but they are everywhere , if we refuse to pay there fee's then they aint gunna reccomend a player to sign for us , its as simple as that. If we take that attitude then we are going to miss out on 90% of our targets. I think that would suit Corney just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 If a player chooses to use the services of an agent it's his choice and the fees come out of the players contract....why should we pay more to a player so he can pay his agent with it? At the end of the day a player gets what a club can afford...simple! We pay more to the player to make him more likely that he will want to come to us. The agent will probably get a cut of the wages anyway. My point was by not paying agents fees we aren't necessarily running the risk of players not signing. As we might be able to afford more for the player, by virtue of not paying an agent a "finders fee". A club choosing not to pay an agent a fee can afford more than a club that chooses to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Good. When I bought a season ticket, I did so on the understanding that the club would use it to ensure survival and, if possible, progress. I'm glad that they're choosing to use it wisely and not be bullied into handing it over to anyone trying to hold my club to ransom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Agents rule the roost, as do agencies in everyday life - that's why short term contracts are the norm in many private businesses. Be on guard, full control of the NHS isn't far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Can't see this as accurate. We only paid £4k in agents fees last year and there's no way we missed out on such a high proportion of targets..... How do you know? As I remember Dickov failed to sign quite a few players that he said were on his list, and we ended up signing players that weren't on his list. Not that I'm suggesting paying agents I'm not, and I think many clubs at our level and below will be telling them the same. Crewe haven't paid agents for years and it didn't do them much harm last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown23 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 if a player WANTS to come they'll come, regardless of agent fees. the agent works for the player at the end of the day and they are paid by the player. if the club uses the agent to get the player to sign then the club pays the player. whats probably happening is we're making the player an offer, the agent is saying "wait, ill find you more money", then the agent goes to another club and says "look i can get you (insert player) for X amount if you pay me X." don't panic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I don't have a problem with agents.. Fact is, they're obviously providing a valuable service to footballers so to say they're not needed would be naive. I don't want us to be bullied into paying stupid amounts but you've got to be honest and say that no payments are unavoidable.. It's obviously in palyers' interests to use agents so I can't seem em going anywhere soon. Can't complain about people not taking to the :censored:e badge and moaning about change but not 'appreciate' the agents' role in modern football. I reckon Corney was holding up the cue cards for Dickov's interview an all ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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