leeslover Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 That was the whole case. Are these accusations a malicious lie or not?Probably something a jury should decide if there is a case to answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 His name has been dragged through the :censored:. Now so should hers... Agreed. Make false allegations knowingly and you're :censored:ed should be the message but, unfortunately that isn't the case in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 It is against the law to make false allegations of a crime. However, just because the actor was found innocent doesn't mean that the allegations were false, it means that there was not enough evidence to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Cases don't get to court if there is not enough evidence for it to do so; which implies that there was some substance in the allegations. As far as I'm concerned to now punish the actor's accuser(s) would be completely the wrong thing to do as it could easily stop a "guilty" rapist being convicted because the victim is frightened of the consequences if there is a verdict of not guilty and therefore doesn't report the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 When i did jury service a couple of years ago, reasonable doubt wasn't acceptable, the judge ordered that we had to be completely sure, and have no doubts whatsoever. As for prosecuting the accusers, unless it's proven to be malicious, would be complete and utter bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 It is against the law to make false allegations of a crime. However, just because the actor was found innocent doesn't mean that the allegations were false, it means that there was not enough evidence to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Cases don't get to court if there is not enough evidence for it to do so; which implies that there was some substance in the allegations. As far as I'm concerned to now punish the actor's accuser(s) would be completely the wrong thing to do as it could easily stop a "guilty" rapist being convicted because the victim is frightened of the consequences if there is a verdict of not guilty and therefore doesn't report the crime. ...sort of does mean that the allegations were false. And plenty of cases go to court when there isn't enough evidence. The allegation is that the CPS, taking a highly questionable lead from the accuser, somewhat jumped on the Savile bandwagon rather than relied solely on the merits of the case. Fair enough it gets tried in court. But in the circumstances of the allegation and the high probability that it was vexatious, they should both have been anonymous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 ...sort of does mean that the allegations were false. And plenty of cases go to court when there isn't enough evidence. The allegation is that the CPS, taking a highly questionable lead from the accuser, somewhat jumped on the Savile bandwagon rather than relied solely on the merits of the case. Fair enough it gets tried in court. But in the circumstances of the allegation and the high probability that it was vexatious, they should both have been anonymous. I quite agree about the anonymous bit, just it's a bit harder to do when one is seen on telly regularly. As an aside what's the grammar rule for starting a sentence with and? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I quite agree about the anonymous bit, just it's a bit harder to do when one is seen on telly regularly. As an aside what's the grammar rule for starting a sentence with and? Not difficult at all. And there are no rules - only conventions. Hansard generally will not include sentences beginning with "and", "but" or "so", but there are always exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Two Coronation Street stars being investigated for Child abuse in 2008! Why are people shagging kids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Nigel Evans M.P. has been charged with two counts of indecent assault, five of sexual assault, and one of rape against seven male alleged victims. Bailed to Preston Crown Court next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Stuart Hall questioned over another rape. The nonce... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Some BBC Norfolk bloke sent down for fiddling boys. Got to love that license fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Some BBC Norfolk bloke sent down for fiddling boys. Got to love that license fee. Why is the licence fee responsible? Note the spelling, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 It's a dreadful organization which i don't want to pay for, but i am made to. People are at liberty to boycott News International over hacking or Hillsborough but we are forced to support this nonces' den with it's :censored: output and it's 1970s editorial stance, and it's huge bureaucracy that wouldn't know a TV program if it kicked them up the arse. Does that cover it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 It's a dreadful organization which i don't want to pay for, but i am made to. People are at liberty to boycott News International over hacking or Hillsborough but we are forced to support this nonces' den with it's :censored: output and it's 1970s editorial stance, and it's huge bureaucracy that wouldn't know a TV program if it kicked them up the arse. Does that cover it? Ah. I see. You're just crying about something you don't like and can't change, like the weather. Spelling hasn't got any better. I recommend watching some the BBC's excellent educational output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ah. I see. You're just crying about something you don't like and can't change, like the weather. Spelling hasn't got any better. I recommend watching some the BBC's excellent educational output. I don't have to pay for the weather (except via the huge energy price increases your man Ed bequeathed to us). We can't abolish weather. The BBC is not like the weather. Go and work on your similes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Diego_Sideburns Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Dave Lee Travis, aka ‘The Hairy Monster’ (later changed to ‘The Hairy Cornflake’) has been charged with 14 counts of indecent assault and one of sexual assault between 1976 and 2007, relating to 11 female complainants, aged between 15 and 29 at the time. He has pleaded not guilty to all the charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Stuart Hall has been charged with 15 rapes and one count of indecent assault, involving two girls aged between 11 and 16, between 1976 and 1981, allegedly committed in Manchester, Stockport, Wilmslow and Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 One of Saville's chauffeurs has killed himself just as his trial was about to start. I'll take that as a guilty plea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 One of Saville's chauffeurs has killed himself just as his trial was about to start. I'll take that as a guilty plea... I'll take that as he was a spineless :censored: as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Really?! That's nothing short of shocking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Gambaccini. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24779908 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Dare I throw the Crankies in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Dare I throw the Crankies in... Haven't we suffered enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 The Crankies are open about dressing room spit roasts and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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