Break The Silence Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Did anyone see furman on the donnie highlights? Very attacking Are you sure you weren't watching it on rewind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 What gets me is that if you ask most fans what formation we play during a game, they'll assume we play 4-4-2 for 90 minutes. But that is rarely ever the case, yesterday we started off with that system, then he switched it to 4-3-3 with Croft moving more central to counteract the extra man in midfield but during the first half part of the problem was overcrowding in midfield which resulted in long punts forward instead. When he switched it to 3-5-2 it allowed for Croft to exploit the gaps left by them on their left hand side and we created more. I've noticed how teams rarely stick to rigid formations in the modern game. As for posession retention side of the things, I belive personally that we're seeing a shift back towards teams adopting a more direct approach and with this I don't mean long ball but more a case of sides attempting more risky balls in the latter half of the field in order to put the ball into the danger area. I was watching Man City a few months ago on TV and I can't remember who they were playing but it was a tedious game as Man City were constantly knocking the ball sideways in the final third of the pitch with the other team all behind the ball and eventually they ended up hitting them on the break beat them. I think Utd would have reverted to a more direct approach and this IMO is why they are 15 points clear, another example is Chelsea in last seasons Champions League, you could even argue that our victory over Liverpool was a result of us being more direct. But ultimatly you need to play to your strengths to be successful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 all the best teams play 4-2-3-1, with the players we have we should too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 all the best teams play 4-2-3-1, with the players we have we should too they play that way because they can easilly switch it when they need to between 4-3-3, 4-4-1-1 and even 4-5-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 all the best teams play 4-2-3-1, with the players we have we should too And the worst, 2 holding midfielders as played by PD didn't get his team very far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 And the worst, 2 holding midfielders as played by PD didn't get his team very far. be nice to see a ball-player in the Sheridan, Redfearn tradition. Snodin was pretty good, as was the converted Vic Halom. would also be nice to see an area-to-area player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 And the worst, 2 holding midfielders as played by PD didn't get his team very far. that's what frustrated me about Dickov, he wouldn't switch it enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) Ah for the good old days when every player knew his job, Two full backs hard as nails Two massive take no prisoners centre backs Two wingers supplying an endless steam of crosses A cultured half back A scheming inside forward A big bustling centre forward A goal poacher I suppose today that would be 4-1-3-2. Joking apart, no matter what the system it needs good players in all departments to make it work. Edited April 2, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 And the worst, 2 holding midfielders as played by PD didn't get his team very far. one holds the other surely would have license to join in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I would t mind seeing 4-4-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) one holds the other surely would have license to join in Ideally yes, but under PD they usually both held back. Edited April 2, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianpshaw Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Pretty sure we lined up as 4-2-3-1 Grounds, Tarky, MVoto, Brown Smith, Weso Croft, Baxter, Smith Barnard It is nice to see it switching during the game. Not just in the Dickov era but Penney (sorry) era aswell it was too rigid with a hope for changing it last 10 minutes, sometimes by throwing Mvoto up front! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Pretty sure we lined up as 4-2-3-1 Grounds, Tarky, MVoto, Brown Smith, Weso Croft, Baxter, Smith Barnard It is nice to see it switching during the game. Not just in the Dickov era but Penney (sorry) era aswell it was too rigid with a hope for changing it last 10 minutes, sometimes by throwing Mvoto up front! Matt Smith in midfield ? Edited April 3, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Matt Smith in midfield ? Korey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianpshaw Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Did you not go the game BP1960? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Did you not go the game BP1960? I didn't notice they had 2 Smith's in the team. adrianpshaw, on 03 April 2013 - 10:46 AM, said: Pretty sure we lined up as 4-2-3-1 Grounds, Tarky, MVoto, Brown Smith, Weso Croft, Baxter, Smith Barnard Edited April 3, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daboke Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I didn't notice they had 2 Smith's in the team. adrianpshaw, on 03 April 2013 - 10:46 AM, said: Pretty sure we lined up as 4-2-3-1 Grounds, Tarky, MVoto, Brown Smith, Weso Croft, Baxter, Smith Barnard funny when people try to be smart and it backfires... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I think we can get too hung up on formations. 4231 is lorded as the best solution, it works for Barca but then they do have 5 or 6 of the world's best 11 players. The same formation was frequently bloody awful for Liverpool under the Fat Spanish Waiter. One thing I like about LJ's approach is that he plans to teach three systems. He's not hung up on one formation or style of play - he's willing to choose what he believes will gain the result on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Simpson started instead of Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I think we can get too hung up on formations. 4231 is lorded as the best solution, it works for Barca but then they do have 5 or 6 of the world's best 11 players. The same formation was frequently bloody awful for Liverpool under the Fat Spanish Waiter. One thing I like about LJ's approach is that he plans to teach three systems. He's not hung up on one formation or style of play - he's willing to choose what he believes will gain the result on the day. While I can easily see that having one system is better than half of one we have had, I cant help but worry that it will be quite easy for an oppo manager to suss the 3 systems out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 While I can easily see that having one system is better than half of one we have had, I cant help but worry that it will be quite easy for an oppo manager to suss the 3 systems out. and as I mentioned on Monday the system changed 3 times during the game to try and exploit Colchester's weaknesses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianpshaw Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Matt Smith in midfield ? meant simpson sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 meant simpson sorry No problem, I make more typing errors than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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