Vivache Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Oh wait this sounds more familiar http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/9980402/Margaret-Thatcher-scored-a-political-own-goal-with-her-attitude-to-football.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I voted no. Not for some ideological political dogma of a reason. Partly as she was no lover of football, and partly because it has rock all to do with football. A minutes silence for ANY political leader in my lifetime would be crass. Well, maybe Jim McMahon for finally getting part of the stadium sorted!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Why a minutes silence? Why not changing the matchball for one that effectively is the head of her Spitting Image puppet. It's what she would have wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Is it normal to have a minute silence for an ex PM?! seems a bit strange, just like all the minute silences we had to have for the Queen Mother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Ah just as I thought. A lefty who wants a political debate. I don't, but if there's one going... I ain't rising because I don't follow any party (they are all lying bastards). They are indeed, but some lie for good causes. You pays your money... However this is a football forum for football fans, so please take your political bilge elsewhere! Thanks Mod. I'll see what I can do to get on the nerves of Carl H Spiers on Faceache. :censored: her, no. Nicely put. Just for the record I voted no minute's silence, however I don't think Lags was starting a thread to hear everyone political views. We all support the same team, its surely a question of yes or no? Its surely not the place to discuss politics or this board really is :censored:ed up. But he's asking about whether we, as footie fans, want a minute's silence about a political figure. This naturally leads to a debate (or just a reaction) about Thatcher's politics. I'm only 25 so I don't really know much about her. I'd say iv learned more about her in the last few days than I ever have in the past 25 yrs. I just want to know why everyone is against her so much? People say she has nothing to do with football but many other people who have had nothing to do with football got a minutes silence. Why doesn't she deserve one? What's the thing about ID cards?? Iv never heard or read about this. Thanks Proposed ID cards for all football fans to carry. No ID card, no entry to the ground. Trialled at Luton Town, which also banned all away fans. The Chairman was a Tory MP. Incidentally, he also ended up paying substantial damages to the Birmingham Six whom he slandered by saying they were guilty of hundreds of murders when they were in fact innocent. Try these search terms for openers: Foreign policy: Belgrano, Surhato, Pinochet Domestic policy: Orgreave, Brixton riots, Toxteth riots, Daniel Morgan (private investigator), hunger strikes Footie policy: Hillsborough, ID cards Ask yourself whether a country in which these things happen is well led or led by a total horror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLatics Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Is it normal to have a minute silence for an ex PM?! seems a bit strange, just like all the minute silences we had to have for the Queen Mother! Telling that the PM who founded the flipping NHS didn't get any of this minute's silence/state funeral nonsense!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossrocks Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I wouldn't be in favour of a minute's silence for any ex-PM, regardless of their political leanings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 i'm keen to advocate that football and politics remain seperate, so voted no. Too young to be directly affected by Thatcher, but have studied her both in Politics and History A-Levels, she dicked on the poor and partied with the rich, caused poverty and unrest in many towns and cities across the country. I have some compassion because she was still a human... but, she didn't care about the people, just about herself and her rich mates in big business... so :censored: her. We shouldn't be stopped from slagging her off because she's dead. No silence for Thatcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Look what's number ten in this week's charts.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/singles I'm sure there's a way we can buy it through the PlayerShare thing! O4U? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 No minute's silence for anything other than ex-players or something specific to the town. That means 'no' to political figures, royalty, murdered kids in Hull, long term fans, thousands in an office block on the other side of the World or Sid the bloody car park attendant (Port Vale). Minute's silence/applause mean nothing. They are devalued due to overuse. We may as well have one before every game for everyone that has died that week in the World and have done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Given Maggie's hatred and determination to sanitise, tag and number every football fan in the country through the ID card scheme (even when leading experts told her it was wrong and wouldn't work), her and her 'Miniature' for Sport the original sufferer of 'small man syndrome' Colin Moynihan still tried to bulldoze it through Parliament. It was only when Lord Justice Taylor included the proposed scheme in his Report, and stated what everyone else knew that it was scrapped. The owd bag wanted to pull us out of Italia '90, almost robbing me and other football fans THE defining summer in our football supporting lives means there will be no minutes silence from me. The only minutes silence I'll be holding is in memory of the lost generation of youth Maggie hung out to dry. I can't argue against the fact she was this Nation's last real leader and change was needed at the time as the country was rotten to the core, held to ransom by radical Socialists but the greed and wealth a few were able to accrue on the back of her policies was equally rotten. The little guy was left to suffer, just as now the changes were too quick and too radical and those at the bottom of the pile are suffering the most. Edited April 11, 2013 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witty Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Given Maggie's hatred and determination to sanitise, tag and number every football fun in the country through the ID card scheme (even when leading experts told her it was wrong and wouldn't work), her and her 'Miniature' for Sport the original sufferer of 'small man syndrome' Colin Moynihan still tried to bulldoze it through Parliament. It was only when Lord Justice Taylor included the proposed scheme in his Report, and stated what everyone else knew that it was scrapped. The owd bag wanted to pull us out of Italia '90, almost robbing me and other football fans THE defining summer in our football supporting lives means there will be no minutes silence from me. The only minutes silence I'll be holding is in memory of the lost generation of youth Maggie hung out to dry. I can't argue against the fact she was this Nation's last real leader and change was needed at the time as the country was rotten to the core, held to ransom by radical Socialists but the greed and wealth a few were able to accrue on the back of her policies was equally rotten. The little guy was left to suffer, just as now the changes were too quick and too radical and those at the bottom of the pile are suffering the most. Post of the year. My thoughts exactly. I hope there is not a minutes silence because I don't want to be in a position where I have to disrespect it, because I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Look what's number ten in this week's charts.... http://www.bbc.co.uk.../update/singles I'm sure there's a way we can buy it through the PlayerShare thing! O4U? Cameron is frantically trying to organise a mass purchase of this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Enrique Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 prozac, you put it perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Cameron is frantically trying to organise a mass purchase of this one. Ding Dong The Witch is Dead is now Number One on itunes! Edited April 11, 2013 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) It wouldn't be fair on football fans. I'm not entirely sure where I stand on Maggie, I didn't like her politics and I can laugh at some of the jokes that are going around, but I cannot say I hate her and I do like to be respectful about people dieing (though this includes debating her bad side, very much so). The best way to be respectful is to ignore, not confront as the latter would undoubtedly lead to further problems. Let us not forget, that we only suffered riots 2 years ago and forcing such confrontation could lead to further disturbances. Anyone who thinks that a minute silence would be a good idea is either scoping for a fight or is an imbecile!!! Edited April 11, 2013 by jimsleftfoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 many would argue those riots were Maggie's fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Cameron is frantically trying to organise a mass purchase of this one. Found myself singing "i'm in love with Jose Baxter..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 many would argue those riots were Maggie's fault! and all of them would be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Given Maggie's hatred and determination to sanitise, tag and number every football fun in the country through the ID card scheme (even when leading experts told her it was wrong and wouldn't work), her and her 'Miniature' for Sport the original sufferer of 'small man syndrome' Colin Moynihan still tried to bulldoze it through Parliament. It was only when Lord Justice Taylor included the proposed scheme in his Report, and stated what everyone else knew that it was scrapped. The owd bag wanted to pull us out of Italia '90, almost robbing me and other football fans THE defining summer in our football supporting lives means there will be no minutes silence from me. Although far too young to have been a part of it - this is my position. I do not know how I would have been affected by her economic policies or what my stance would have been. I grew up (mainly) in a non-Thatcher world. I can however relate the above to the modern day and how I would react if those measures were brought in. I do not like it when football fans are tarred with the same brush and am very much against the measures taken by the police against, for example, Hull City fans this year against Huddersfield. Thatcher's proposals and attempted reforms are far and away worse than those and I cannot see why football fans should be expected to have a minute's silence for somebody who tried to ruin something important to us all. As someone, I can't remember who, said yesterday - in any event a minute's silence would be a terrible idea because it would be 'toe-curling'. There's no way it would be respected and would create a nasty atmosphere. If people want to pay their respects they can do so in their own way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc_lover Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Can we have a minutes cheering and get the party poppers out instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Ding Dong The Witch is Dead is now Number One on itunes! I don't like using iTunes and when you buy stuff off there the quality is too low for me but my purchase of this is 79p well spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another fan Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I voted a NO but not had time to read all the postings in this thread. What I would like to know is the reason why those thay voted yes did so. Just curiosity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Sports obssession for minutes silences winds me up. It isn't the time or place. Unless someone connected to the club has died - there are much more suitable places. Rememberance day, why are football clubs taking it opon themeselves to do something? I'm not going to a game for that. On the sunday there is a service, I've been to that a few times. I'd be pissed off if a football match broke out in the middle of that too. Political figues should never be honoured at a sporting event. Especially divisive ones like Thatcher. It isn't the clubs / FA's job to tell you who to respect in that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) I voted a NO but not had time to read all the postings in this thread. What I would like to know is the reason why those thay voted yes did so. Just curiosity? I nearly voted yes, as it would be a good oportunity for I and hundreds of others to show just how much we respect her. But I will be attending with my son and it would be a bad example to set! Therefore I havent voted. Edited April 11, 2013 by Monty Burns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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