Latics_Fanatic Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Interesting to see 29 people would have released Tarky in May. 7 months later, easily player of the season so far and being mooted for a 1 million+ transfer by some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Easy to find out. Step forward some posters whose opinions I previously valued highly... opinions4u, OAFC_Ryan, dave53, Lookers_Carl, Omar Don't Scare, sjk2008, gavinodriscoll, Scapegoat, oldhamowl123, SavageTheBeast, mikejh45, Flemboy, stargazer, Crusoe, pistonbroke, Markspark92, FLH1993, thehurtman, jsslatic, laticdickovarmy, deyres42, 4froale, warwickshire latics, stevey62, baz_oafc, simplythemostimportantkick, Snookmeister, Ackey, MancLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Easy to find out. Step forward some posters whose opinions I previously valued highly...opinions4u ... As long as you don't try to suggest I said Whitaker is better than Wellens or Alessandra is destined for greatness. Even if I did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4froale Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I voted get rid last year because I had seen very little improvement in the tarky that made his debut in 2010/2011 and the one in May 2013. Thank :censored: I'm not the manager though, I'm happy to have been proven wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) I voted for Tarky out because he was awful last year and his mistakes nearly cost us relegation. This year has seen a change in him, a leader at the back and filled the shoes of M'voto and he has improved every game. Edited December 31, 2013 by SavageTheBeast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Easy to find out. Step forward some posters whose opinions I previously valued highly... I think we should have Mr Corney arrange a public flogging at half time tomorrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Was he awful last year? I didnt think he was awful. I thought he was an improving, young CB who was havig to do his development in the gaze of 1st team games. Agree that Big Jean leaving has actually been a blessing though. He's being found out in the Championship, and Tarky has kicked on at a rapid rate of pace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Was he awful last year? For me, it's more the fact that LJ has let him play football, rather than having him as a hoof merchant. 99% of the time he does his job and defends well and his maizy runs remind me of Jobson all those years ago. 1% of the time he drops a bollock, but that is all part of learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 The transformation is unbelievable. It shows a lot about LJ as a coach, and about his pre-season and coaching methods - and his ability to install confidence in players, by developing and improving their ability rather than seemingly just being best mates....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 The transformation is unbelievable. It shows a lot about LJ as a coach, and about his pre-season and coaching methods - and his ability to install confidence in players, by developing and improving their ability rather than seemingly just being best mates....! Or maybe he just realised his career was heading down the pan if he didn't shape up and sort himself out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchierich Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 The issue for me last year was that Tarky and big Jean were a shocking "partnership"...they just didn't talk to each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_Ryan Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 What's even worse is I voted for us to keep Belezika and Byrne over him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Or maybe he just realised his career was heading down the pan if he didn't shape up and sort himself out? But this is it - was his career heading down the pan? I really dont / didnt think it was? He was a 19/20 year old CB learning the game. Last season's experience has helped in this season's development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 But this is it - was his career heading down the pan? I really dont / didnt think it was? He was a 19/20 year old CB learning the game. Last season's experience has helped in this season's development. With Tarky it was all about how far he'd develop. The speed of development since Johnson came in has been exceptional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) Easy to find out. Step forward some posters whose opinions I previously valued highly...opinions4u,OAFC_Ryan,dave53,Lookers_Carl,Omar Don't Scare,sjk2008,gavinodriscoll,Scapegoat,oldhamowl123,SavageTheBeast,mikejh45,Flemboy,stargazer,Crusoe,pistonbroke,Markspark92,FLH1993,thehurtman,jsslatic,laticdickovarmy,deyres42,4froale,warwickshire latics,stevey62,baz_oafc,simplythemostimportantkick,Snookmeister,Ackey,MancLatic Thanks for the vote of confidence singe. Edited December 31, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) The transformation is unbelievable. ...!Really? I've enjoyed watching him since he first came into the team. Especially when he first came in before Dickov took the adventure out of his game. Edited December 31, 2013 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Really? I've enjoyed watching him since he first came into the team. Especially when he first came in before Dickov took the adventure out of his game. Yeah yeah, we get it! Bloody aging hipster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 But this is it - was his career heading down the pan? I really dont / didnt think it was? He was a 19/20 year old CB learning the game. Last season's experience has helped in this season's development. Possibly, it's more the constant ass licking of Johnson from some that's getting a bit wearisome, everything and anything he says/does being treated as if it's a world first. For all we know he might take no part in training and the improvement from Tarkowski might have been aided by Steele/Mimms/Murray or even him helping himself by getting fitter and stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Yeah yeah, we get it! Bloody aging hipster! He'd be great in the Bundesliga (who we could learn a lot from) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Possibly, it's more the constant ass licking of Johnson from some that's getting a bit wearisome, everything and anything he says/does being treated as if it's a world first. For all we know he might take no part in training and the improvement from Tarkowski might have been aided by Steele/Mimms/Murray or even him helping himself by getting fitter and stronger. Who appointed Steele, Mimms & Murray? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markspark92 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 The turning point for Tarky was last summer the training programme LJ put him on changed him, he looked a completely different player from last season to this season, He turned from a kid into a fully grown pro in one summer, the biggest thing for me was LJ helped him find his confidence and now he's a leader on the pitch as well as off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Who appointed Steele, Mimms & Murray? I thought Steele had left to join Meulensteen in a new job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Who appointed Steele, Mimms & Murray? Well he didn't appoint Murray so who knows about the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 The turning point for Tarky was last summer the training programme LJ put him on changed him, he looked a completely different player from last season to this season, He turned from a kid into a fully grown pro in one summer, the biggest thing for me was LJ helped him find his confidence and now he's a leader on the pitch as well as off it. I was just going to post similar words to this re: the end if season into pre-season dossier / booklet each player got to follow Huge difference to Tarky Have any of you seen Tarky come over to bench around the 60min marker of any game under Johnson and have to take on a energy sachet and iso-fuel drink? How many times did he have to do that under Dickov and Butler? Most games IIRC - i know, becuase i used to post on it so much as it amazed me it was having to happen. Fitness, strength, nutrition, belief, a managers faith and new found sense of focus....added to the harsh experiences of a full debut season have all added together to really kick him on. Tarky takes a huge slice of the praise for this himself; but so too does LJ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Easy to find out. Step forward some posters whose opinions I previously valued highly... opinions4u, OAFC_Ryan, dave53, Lookers_Carl, Omar Don't Scare, sjk2008, gavinodriscoll, Scapegoat, oldhamowl123, SavageTheBeast, mikejh45, Flemboy, stargazer, Crusoe, pistonbroke, Markspark92, FLH1993, thehurtman, jsslatic, laticdickovarmy, deyres42, 4froale, warwickshire latics, stevey62, baz_oafc, simplythemostimportantkick, Snookmeister, Ackey, MancLatic I stand corrected. My worries last year were budget based and I was keener if we couldn't afford much for that to be spent on experience. Tarky has stepped up this season and I am as delighted as anyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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