JoeP Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) I can't see any more signings at full back. Brown seems to be first choice (I'm not getting involved in that debate) with Winchester as backup. Grounds is clearly first choice at left back, I guess with Truelove as backup. Yes he's young, but he can step in until a loan signing is brought in if Grounds is injured or out of form. I don't think we have the budget for a squad with two experienced left backs permanently in place. At centre back I agree with Stevie - Tarky is't the finished article, Byrne lacks pace, and Belezika and Joksts clearly aren't ready to play most of a season. (Belezika needs a loan spell a division or two down to help his development, I reckon.) I can see us bringing in someone on loan like Reece Brown previously - talented but inexperienced - but only a permanent signing if Byrne moves on. I'm up for sending youngsters who arn't ready to be part of the first-team squad out on loan but with Belezika playing we've won two and drawn one. Keep him here and let him fight for his place, I reckon. We definitely need an experienced centre-back to partner either Belezika or Tarky. Unfortunately, I think it needs to be someone a bit better than Byrne, who could be cover the "experienced" role. Edited July 19, 2013 by JoeP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ33 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I understand that but at the moment he is 4th choice with even mellor picked ahead of him in pre season could see him 5th choice. A loan move could actually be make or break for him, if he comes back stronger, otherwise he could just sit down the pecking order all season and then get released al la ryan brooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I understand that but at the moment he is 4th choice with even mellor picked ahead of him in pre season could see him 5th choice. A loan move could actually be make or break for him, if he comes back stronger, otherwise he could just sit down the pecking order all season and then get released al la ryan brooke I don't think you can really tell the pecking order just from pre-season games. Hoping the Mellor centre-back experiment won't be revisited - what a waste of a talented midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Wasn't Mellor a CB in his youth Team days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Our defence is :censored: and has been for years. Every season I've drummed on that the defence needs sorting out big time. In one season we had Gregan, Hazell, Trotman, Stam, John Thompson (okay he was :censored:), Bertrand, Eardley and Lomax to choose from. We're a million miles from having that quality and depth. Edited July 19, 2013 by PlayItLivo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Our defence is :censored: and has been for years. Every season I've drummed on that the defence needs sorting out big time. In one season we had Gregan, Hazell, Trotman, Stam, John Thompson (okay he was :censored:), Bertrand, Eardley and Lomax to choose from. We're a million miles from having that quality and depth. Our goals against was mid table last season. Goals for were the problem. (This post in no way means I don't think Dickov was :censored:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I think we're relying on Lee Johnson's ability to bring the best out of any youngsters thrown in to the team. Hopefully the fans will be patient! of course they will be patient, 1 bad half by a young player it will be carnage on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamb Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 LJ has a handshake deal for the young Liverpool CB . his name is Sama or something like that . signing Monday , barring an epidemic at pool . LJ refers to the deal on player . stop fretting we had a decent defensive record last season . fact. we have only lost one of that defense since then . plus Byrne can play RB , admitted he is too slow but he is experienced . we have a new kit , new sponsors , new 3rd kit , a new stand going up , new coaches , new manager and we haven't lost a game yet. stop fretting and start getting behind the team . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I agree. I'm in the "LJ can do no wrong" camp, but signing a big lump from Latvia with no Football League experience is hardly addressing it... What does football league experience have to do with it? Vidic had never played over here before manure signed him and he's done ok. As have 100's of others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) I don't think Mvoto would now fit into LJs plans, he looks to be shaping the team on players who are comfortable on the ball in all areas. Edited July 20, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I don't think Mvoto would now fit into LJs plans, he looks to be shaping the team on players who are comfortable on the ball in all areas. He'd walk back into the team in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I don't think Mvoto would now fit into LJs plans, he looks to be shaping the team on players who are comfortable on the ball in all areas. Which could be one way of getting us out of this division, we could compare Tarky and Mellor with Beckenbaur and Hansen. Or perhaps that is stretching a point too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Which could be one way of getting us out of this division, we could compare Tarky and Mellor with Beckenbaur and Hansen. Or perhaps that is stretching a point too far. Just a little, but a nice thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Just got me thinking though, how many quality ball playing centre halfs have we had at BP. The pick of the bunch for me would be Jobbo, but Kevin Moore in his short time here also was comfortable on the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) LJ has a handshake deal for the young Liverpool CB . his name is Sama or something like that . signing Monday , barring an epidemic at pool . LJ refers to the deal on player . stop fretting we had a decent defensive record last season . fact. we have only lost one of that defense since then . plus Byrne can play RB , admitted he is too slow but he is experienced . we have a new kit , new sponsors , new 3rd kit , a new stand going up , new coaches , new manager and we haven't lost a game yet. stop fretting and start getting behind the team . Stephen Sama,certainly looks the part; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S-Dc-SY0UU A word of caution though; "His season was soured however by some high-profile red cards" Edited July 20, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Just got me thinking though, how many quality ball playing centre halfs have we had at BP. The pick of the bunch for me would be Jobbo, but Kevin Moore in his short time here also was comfortable on the ball. Paul Warhurst, John Hurst and Jim Bowie were among the of the best I've seen. Edited July 20, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainrod Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Just got me thinking though, how many quality ball playing centre halfs have we had at BP. The pick of the bunch for me would be Jobbo, but Kevin Moore in his short time here also was comfortable on the ball. Going back a bit but Paul Futcher was one of my favourites, him and Kenny Clements were a class above what we've seen at BP fo one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Going back a bit but Paul Futcher was one of my favourites, him and Kenny Clements were a class above what we've seen at BP fo one time. Alan Hansen calls them 'overcoat' players. I assume he meant they could play with an overcoat on and not break sweat. Gary Hoolickin was underrated, a very composed centre back. Edited July 20, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Going back a bit but Paul Futcher was one of my favourites, him and Kenny Clements were a class above what we've seen at BP fo one time. Somebody like Futcher would be ideal alongside Tarky or Belezika he could really bring the best out of them, we live in hope that LJ could bring someone of that calibre in this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Alan Hansen calls them 'overcoat' players. I assume he meant they could play with an overcoat on and not break sweat... It was great to be at BP today without an overcoat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Somebody like Futcher would be ideal alongside Tarky or Belezika he could really bring the best out of them, we live in hope that LJ could bring someone of that calibre in this season. Rumour is it's Stephen Sama, a big powerful young centre back from Liverpool who they signed from Borrusia Dortmund, by all accounts he's very quick, can pass long and short, good in air and comfortable on the ball, has fallen fall of the referee though on a few occasions they say with his strong tackling. Edited July 20, 2013 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Rumour is it's Stephen Sama, a big powerful young centre back from Liverpool who they signed from Borrusia Dortmund, by all accounts he's very quick, can pass long and short, good in air and comfortable on the ball, has fallen fall of the referee though on a few occasions they say with his strong tackling. Just watched the videos of him, does look a decent player, I am not sure it would appease many on here though due to his age. For my money i do not have a problem with young players at this level, if they can get over making the odd mistake and the moaning that follows they could be the next Jobson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Just watched the videos of him, does look a decent player, I am not sure it would appease many on here though due to his age. For my money i do not have a problem with young players at this level, if they can get over making the odd mistake and the moaning that follows they could be the next Jobson! If he can do what Dan Burn did for Yeovil no one will complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Or mark Hudson while he was here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Ian Snodin was class, especially when he was utilised in the Sammer role. Since Jobbo, the classiest defender we have had is Hall, Greegs was pure brawn but Hall should have gone further in the game than he has. Injuries and perhaps too much to soon have seen him stagnate and become something of a Championship journeyman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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