Dave_Og Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Got slated for not using our youngsters bar Tarkowski but not seeing any of the others making an impact yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Or maybe they're not making an impact after stagnating in the reserves/youths under his leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 I suppose Mellor made an impact yesterday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Loads are out on loan. Nurturing a youth set up takes years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 Loads are out on loan. Nurturing a youth set up takes years True but as a manager rarely gets more than 2 years i's not much to do with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC33 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Dickov's treatment of the youth players was appalling - threw them in for the odd game and the smallest mistake saw them back in the stands the week after. If a League 1 manager can't work with a youth system he's not up to the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laticacid Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 May I remind the op of the instant improvement in millar and mellor after ljs appointment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pk200 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 May I remind the op of the instant improvement in millar and mellor after ljs appointment . Add Tarky and Connor Brown to that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Got slated for not using our youngsters bar Tarkowski but not seeing any of the others making an impact yet At the end of Dickov last full season i went to the reserve game between Bury and Oldham both Dickov and the then Bury manager Richie Barker showed no interest in the game whatsoever just chatting all game. Think alot of it comes down to the standard of matches within the reserves remember watching Kirk Millar play and look a complete different player to what i had seen in the first team. All comes down to have a good run of games under there belt think sending the players he has done out on loan is a smart move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 From what I've seen of LJ and his teams, he could be manager for latics for years without huge successes on the pitch. As long as we are seen to be making small but tangible steps up the league and decent cup runs then I'll take this brand of football any day over the :censored:e we have been seeing the last few years. 14 new players, give them time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukers1 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Got slated for not using our youngsters bar Tarkowski but not seeing any of the others making an impact yet No, simply Dickov was a :censored: manager with no man management skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC33 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 From what I've seen of LJ and his teams, he could be manager for latics for years without huge successes on the pitch. As long as we are seen to be making small but tangible steps up the league and decent cup runs then I'll take this brand of football any day over the :censored:e we have been seeing the last few years. 14 new players, give them time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC33 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 From what I've seen of LJ and his teams, he could be manager for latics for years without huge successes on the pitch. As long as we are seen to be making small but tangible steps up the league and decent cup runs then I'll take this brand of football any day over the :censored:e we have been seeing the last few years. 14 new players, give them time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Pretty sure Mellor/Brown are classed as first team players this season even if they don't start every match, rather than young players on the fringe. Edited September 16, 2013 by Oh Heck C-Beck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Got slated for not using our youngsters bar Tarkowski but not seeing any of the others making an impact yet I don't think he was that keen on pushing Tarky to the fore was he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 I don't think he was that keen on pushing Tarky to the fore was he? I think he's played c.50 games now - most of them must have been under Dickov. I suppose we won't know for a while yet and it may be true that some stagnated but until they come back from loans and some or all demonstrate development and genuinely challenge for/establish a first team place the jury is well and truly out on Winchester, Millar etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Personally I think Millar and Winchester are squad fillers. I think LJ see's Tarkowski as one of the first names on the teamsheet, Mellor/Brown as fully fledged first team squad players and Gossett/Truelove as ones who can push on. Not every kid has got to make it to prove Dickov right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astottie Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Got slated for not using our youngsters bar Tarkowski but not seeing any of the others making an impact yet well he's giving this one a chance... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24110829 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 well he's giving this one a chance... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24110829 Hard to describe a 22 yo as a youngster. Even at my age! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Players brought in by both Dickov and LJ are better than the young players we have. The only way our young players can improve is with game time. If Tarky hadn't been thrust into the team when he was he would still be in the same position as the others. They need to go out on loan to a L2 side, but that impacts on our squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Players brought in by both Dickov and LJ are better than the young players we have. The only way our young players can improve is with game time. If Tarky hadn't been thrust into the team when he was he would still be in the same position as the others. They need to go out on loan to a L2 side, but that impacts on our squad. I've never understood the praise our youth set up gets - only Taylor, Eardley and Tarkowski as real quality first team regulars in how many years? [dons helmet] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I actually rate Winchester. Lovely footballer. Bit of a fanny, and could do with an extra two stone on him, but his use of the football is very good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Youth set up, being a long term issue, cannot be successfully dealt with the first team manager looking to make his mark/keep his job in the short term. The chairman has to lead somewhat on the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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