Matt Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 highlighting the truth. Barmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Harkins has made a very good start, but he's not fit to lick Baxter's ball sack at the moment. Disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 if the measly amount received for tarky was to finance 3 mediocre signings and service the debt we are in more trouble than i thought. If thats the case and we are a couple of hundred grand from going under why didnt Mr 'self-serving' Corney consider letting somebody else have a go ? It says a lot when the mans ambition runs to getting the club to Wembely and indeed he may have his wish when we run out in the FA Vase final in a few years time. The parallels with Dickov are there for all to see a chairman who falls for patter, a rookie manager who makes mistakes along the way who is using us as a stepping stone to his next project who talks the talk but struggles to walk the walk, crowds of 2700 a team that cant score more than one goal 95% of the time, quality players replaced by chaff, we could go on and on the parallels are there for all to see if the happy clappers wanna see that as progress I respect that but to me its we are where we are - its become the norm and acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Here'ssss Alex...... I'm a man of my word and kept my council for a couple of months BUT......this thread was too juicy not to partake..... Firstly, it seems where as myself, Post man Matt, may have been Harry and one or two others were in a vocal minority Me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Harkins has made a very good start, but he's not fit to lick Baxter's ball sack at the moment. Earlier in the season, the same was said of Philliskirk... The rule is, though, that every player who leaves Latics was pretty :censored: all along. That is, unless there's a remote possibility of us signing them again, in which case they are 'worth a punt'. Jose Baxter didn't fit in; Neal Eardley was :censored:; Chris Taylor was never going to make it in the Championship and would regret leaving; Chris Porter was a crap bastard; Dean Furman was a :censored: sideways passer; Stephens didn't contribute enough, Wilson and Lockwood are perfectly good enough to replace Tarkowski, etc. Matt Smith seems to have sneaked onto the 'worth a punt' list, alongside Wabara and ever-presents Kilkenny, Vernon and Wellens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Surely, with Baxter scoring 15 goals and entertaining us most weeks, it was the other 10 players who didn't "fit" in the side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) The rule is, though, that every player who leaves Latics was pretty :censored: all along. That is, unless there's a remote possibility of us signing them again, in which case they are 'worth a punt'. Jose Baxter didn't fit in; Neal Eardley was :censored:; Chris Taylor was never going to make it in the Championship and would regret leaving; Chris Porter was a crap bastard; Dean Furman was a :censored: sideways passer; Stephens didn't contribute enough, Wilson and Lockwood are perfectly good enough to replace Tarkowski, etc. Matt Smith seems to have sneaked onto the 'worth a punt' list, alongside Wabara and ever-presents Kilkenny, Vernon and Wellens. They'll get a good few transfer windows out of Joseph Mills now.. Edited February 27, 2014 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 The rule is, though, that every player who leaves Latics was pretty :censored: all along. That is, unless there's a remote possibility of us signing them again, in which case they are 'worth a punt'. Jose Baxter didn't fit in; Neal Eardley was :censored:; Chris Taylor was never going to make it in the Championship and would regret leaving; Chris Porter was a crap bastard; Dean Furman was a :censored: sideways passer; Stephens didn't contribute enough, Wilson and Lockwood are perfectly good enough to replace Tarkowski, etc. Matt Smith seems to have sneaked onto the 'worth a punt' list, alongside Wabara and ever-presents Kilkenny, Vernon and Wellens. Can we add Iain Dowie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 It's :censored:, been :censored: for the 10 years I've been back in Manchester and going to the games again, there is no difference between now and 2004. We've had some ups, we've had some downs but I still support OAFC financially and emotionally. I turn up at the games, have a laugh with the people I sit with, have a singsong when it happens, have a cheer when we score and a cheer at the final whistle when it ends. The one thing that has changed is the number of other supporters that go to the games has fallen which means there is even less money going into the club which means the players on the pitch will be of a cheaper nature and likely to be lesser quality than before. Which logically means that the numbers on the terraces is less resulting in even less money going into the club and the vicious cycle continues. At this rate they might as well stop farting about with holes in the ground making out they are building a stand and let the club die. Now that Utd are failing I could jump ship there and get the same self flagellation I've given myself over the last 30 odd years supporting this bloody club by supporting a club going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 This season he tried to sign players with a specific style of play in mind, and also moved some on for the same reason. It's gone tits up in various ways, many beyond his control, and he's had to draft in any old player that's available just to get body's in and the style has had to change completely. It's still going OK though (just about). He's been able to grind out 3 points to stop the rot every time things were starting to look worrying. As bad as it's been of late I still maintain it's not as bad as it was under Dickov at times. What I hope he does next season is sign (and keep) the best possible players available to us and build the style, formation etc.. around them, rather than the other way round. We can't rely on one specific system at this level because when your two fastest wingers get caught for spot fixing or make certain "lifestyle choices" like for like replacements aren't readily available on our limited budget. He knows now that he'll need to adapt the the team several times and often quite drastically over the course of a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Surely, with Baxter scoring 15 goals and entertaining us most weeks, it was the other 10 players who didn't "fit" in the side? There is something to be said for this viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 ENTROPY: Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system Lack of pattern or organization; disorder A measure of the amount of energy in a physical system not available to do work Gradual decline into disorderLack of order or predictability Oldham [entropy] Athletic The irony is, that season after season, it is all becoming a bit too predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I haven't read through all the thread but one thing that isn't a parallel is that LJ's subs and in-game formation changes make much more of an impact than Dickov's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I haven't read through all the thread but one thing that isn't a parallel is that LJ's subs and in-game formation changes make much more of an impact than Dickov's. Any facts to support that view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I haven't read through all the thread but one thing that isn't a parallel is that LJ's subs and in-game formation changes make much more of an impact than Dickov's. Bournemouth at home in Dickov's first season : One down. He made a double substitution that effectively won us that game. Alessandra came on along with someone else I think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Sheffield United away. 2-0 down. He brought on KMB and he ran them ragged 2nd half. We won 3-2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Forest away. 1-0 down. Not a substitution, but moved Simpson inside and Mchangama out on the left. We all know the rest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JA11K Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Any facts to support that view? Obvious one being Peterborough. Dickov would wait far too long to make subs, LJ made three at half-time on Tuesday night which made us much more competitive. Yes you could argue that he chose the wrong starting lineup, but at least he recognised the need to change things - towards the end of Dickov's time he'd often wait until the 75th/80th minute to make subs which was completely ineffective. Even when he made them he wouldn't change the system to suit them; he'd bring Smith on, have us hoof the ball to him, watch him win headers and have no-one around him to run onto them and no-one putting crosses in for him to win. It was just hoof and hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Obvious one being Peterborough. Dickov would wait far too long to make subs, LJ made three at half-time on Tuesday night which made us much more competitive. Yes you could argue that he chose the wrong starting lineup, but at least he recognised the need to change things - towards the end of Dickov's time he'd often wait until the 75th/80th minute to make subs which was completely ineffective. Even when he made them he wouldn't change the system to suit them; he'd bring Smith on, have us hoof the ball to him, watch him win headers and have no-one around him to run onto them and no-one putting crosses in for him to win. It was just hoof and hope. I've just pointed out three times which dispel that myth, I'm afraid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_Ryan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Obvious one being Peterborough. Dickov would wait far too long to make subs, LJ made three at half-time on Tuesday night which made us much more competitive. Yes you could argue that he chose the wrong starting lineup, but at least he recognised the need to change things - towards the end of Dickov's time he'd often wait until the 75th/80th minute to make subs which was completely ineffective. Even when he made them he wouldn't change the system to suit them; he'd bring Smith on, have us hoof the ball to him, watch him win headers and have no-one around him to run onto them and no-one putting crosses in for him to win. It was just hoof and hope. End being the imperative word.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 End being the imperative word.. Forest was towards the end of his reign... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Dickov always waited too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I'm quite keen for Johnson's players to start a game as if they intend to win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JA11K Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Forest was towards the end of his reign... Forest was a freak in a competition which Dickov knew he was under no pressure to succeed. I agree that at the beginning of his tenure he made some good subs, but they soon dried up (which LJ doesn't seem likely to do) and, had he managed in the league with the same mentality as he did in that Forest game, he would have been much better off. Unfortunately, after the defeats by Southampton and Peterborough in his first season, it seems like he was more scared to fail than he was driven to succeed and he became much more conservative. Hopefully this won't happen with LJ, but of course none of us saw it with PD either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Why doesn't he seem likely to? He's already changed how his team plays, from an apparent high tempo attacking game to a slow, lethargic side who don't press high enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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