simplythemostimportantkick Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 But we don't need any more defenders atm. Other areas need strengthening. If enough money is left in the budget after that then fair enough but I'd rather see us spending what money we have on areas that need it than one than doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 But surely this deal would be what is left in the budget, and money is already earmarked for signing other players . I for one would like to see quality in the squad and not just the first eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Guru Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 If Kusunga gets injured again like last season and we have missed the llera boat we will be gutted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) But we don't need any more defenders atm. Other areas need strengthening. If enough money is left in the budget after that then fair enough but I'd rather see us spending what money we have on areas that need it than one than doesn't. But i guess the flip side of that is that the budget already has enough in it to cover this possible move. I.e - its within the budget already?Llera is a quality player for this level; and when quality becomes available and you can afford it; then you should go for it no? Are we set at the back? Hmm. It did appear so, for starting; but i'd have said we were still 1 short, with Brian Wilson clearly coming in to the RB spot, and Mills at LB. that leaves J Wilson, Lockwood and Kusunga. I'd say we were always 1 defender still short in the that lineup; i did expect it to be a season long loan coming in to fill that spot; but if it turns out to be Llera, then even better. I dont massively rate Kusunga, and Whilst Lockwood and J Wilson did so well for us, I wouldn't have wanted us to have had just them; with the headless chicken / injury prone Kusunga as the only option for back-up. Llera comes in and we have 4 CB's for options. We could play 3 CB's and go 3-5-1 if we wish with them on board. Llera also gives something rare to; he's a genuine goal scorer yet he's a defender. His Free Kicks are actually quality, he can take a mean corner, has a long throw; and if he isnt taking the corners; then he's in the box being a real goal threat. He's 34, his legs dont appear to have gone, he doesnt have a bad history of injuries, he's massively experienced, he's a leader; and even though he had the whole "head-gear/ gloves / tights" thing that doesn't help this image; he is actually a throw your body on the line, get stuck in defender too. I just dont see the arguement for 'we need the money spent elsewhere' - when a player like this becomes available. For all we know, the money can still be used elsewhere even if Llera comes in? Edited July 12, 2014 by slystallone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Why do some assume the rest of the budget will be used if we offer a contract to a 34 year old who is on trial. He won't get anywhere near what he was earning on his last contract. If we make him an offer it has to be within our scope and if he does not like it then he can try out somewhere else can't he? We have enough cover in that area anyway. We hold the cards not the player for once. Edited July 12, 2014 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 If Kusunga gets injured again like last season and we have missed the llera boat we will be gutted! If we sign Llera and loan Kusunga out and can't recall him and Llera gets injured ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 If we sign Llera and loan Kusunga out and can't recall him and Llera gets injured ... Why would we loan kusunga out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 It'll be the strongest we've been at the back since 2007 when we had Gregan, Hazell, Stam, Trotman, Thompson (well..uh), Eardley, Bertrand and Lomax. I'd say we've lacked strength in depth in the entire squad since Shez left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Why would we loan kusunga out? Why do so many assume he will be injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Can never gave enough defenders... injuries, form etc.... ..... Obviously not to the detriment of midfield and strikers though. If budget allows and fair wage, Llera is a very decent acquisition. Experience, leadership, ability... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 formula - promotion squad chasing = at least two players for evey position + two extra strikers + a settled squad that doesn't rely too much on kids or loans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Guru Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Kusunga may not be injured but 3 cb's for 2 positions 1 of which has history of being injury prone is a risk. Llera is a no brainer for me even with the defenders we have he offers far too much all round. I think he would probably be team captain too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsEddie Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Kasunga can plan midfield. If we wanted to start like we ended last season, with 4141, then he could play in front of the defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penrhyn Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 LJ in the press, and latics player has alluded that he has someone in mind other than Lockwood for the team captain role , could this possibly be Llera . It would make sense given that the team captain hasn't been announced yet. LJ was also full of praise for Llera contribution on and off the field , so it could be him .Be a good signing I think still has a lot to offer at our level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 But i guess the flip side of that is that the budget already has enough in it to cover this possible move. I.e - its within the budget already? Llera is a quality player for this level; and when quality becomes available and you can afford it; then you should go for it no? Are we set at the back? Hmm. It did appear so, for starting; but i'd have said we were still 1 short, with Brian Wilson clearly coming in to the RB spot, and Mills at LB. that leaves J Wilson, Lockwood and Kusunga. I'd say we were always 1 defender still short in the that lineup; i did expect it to be a season long loan coming in to fill that spot; but if it turns out to be Llera, then even better. I dont massively rate Kusunga, and Whilst Lockwood and J Wilson did so well for us, I wouldn't have wanted us to have had just them; with the headless chicken / injury prone Kusunga as the only option for back-up. Llera comes in and we have 4 CB's for options. We could play 3 CB's and go 3-5-1 if we wish with them on board. Llera also gives something rare to; he's a genuine goal scorer yet he's a defender. His Free Kicks are actually quality, he can take a mean corner, has a long throw; and if he isnt taking the corners; then he's in the box being a real goal threat. He's 34, his legs dont appear to have gone, he doesnt have a bad history of injuries, he's massively experienced, he's a leader; and even though he had the whole "head-gear/ gloves / tights" thing that doesn't help this image; he is actually a throw your body on the line, get stuck in defender too. I just dont see the arguement for 'we need the money spent elsewhere' - when a player like this becomes available. For all we know, the money can still be used elsewhere even if Llera comes in? No doubt he is a quality L1 CB and would be an asset to any team in L1. We currently have Brown, B Wilson, Lockwood, J Wilson, Kusunga, Mills and Truelove for defensive options. There is alot of quality in there and the fact that Lockwood and Wilson have forged an understanding between them is invaluable. Tarky was a quality player but we looked shaky in defence with him whereas Lockwood and Wilson have given us a steady solid look to defence. It's the most solid we have looked in defence for a few years now. If Llera is happy to not be first choice and on a wage that is viable for us to still be able to bring in two decent wingers and a striker then all means happy for him to come in. However I'd suspect he would want to be first choice and be on a decent wedge but I don't see the need the have 6 defenders on a decent wedge. Whatever money is left in the budget we should be looking to spend the majority on two decent wingers and a striker which is where we need quality currently rather than defence. If we have enough in the budget it be able to manage it than great, sign him up but I suspect we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 No doubt he is a quality L1 CB and would be an asset to any team in L1. We currently have Brown, B Wilson, Lockwood, J Wilson, Kusunga, Mills and Truelove for defensive options. There is alot of quality in there and the fact that Lockwood and Wilson have forged an understanding between them is invaluable. Tarky was a quality player but we looked shaky in defence with him whereas Lockwood and Wilson have given us a steady solid look to defence. It's the most solid we have looked in defence for a few years now. If Llera is happy to not be first choice and on a wage that is viable for us to still be able to bring in two decent wingers and a striker then all means happy for him to come in. However I'd suspect he would want to be first choice and be on a decent wedge but I don't see the need the have 6 defenders on a decent wedge. Whatever money is left in the budget we should be looking to spend the majority on two decent wingers and a striker which is where we need quality currently rather than defence. If we have enough in the budget it be able to manage it than great, sign him up but I suspect we don't. I dont think we need 2 wingers bringing in. I don't think we need a winger bringing in at all; even with having some last season, other than the first few months; we didnt actually play in a style that warranted having them. We have Dayton, we have Winchester; and both B Wilson and Mills can go up higher if needed. 1st pre-season game it's been said we lined up 4-3-3; and you dont need wingers for that formation. I just think we do happen to have the budget for Llera; otherwise he patently wouldnt be on trial with us; and for me, for a player like him; its a no brainer. If he comes in, for me - and this is just me mind - we'd only need another midfielder; not a winger a midfielder, and a striker; possibly 2 strikers and we'd be pretty much done for fully signed up contracted players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KusungaIsGod Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 So much hate for Kusunga when most on here have hardly seen him play. Has done a lot of work over the summer gaining muscle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paw4 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 No doubt he is a quality L1 CB and would be an asset to any team in L1. We currently have Brown, B Wilson, Lockwood, J Wilson, Kusunga, Mills and Truelove for defensive options. There is alot of quality in there and the fact that Lockwood and Wilson have forged an understanding between them is invaluable. Tarky was a quality player but we looked shaky in defence with him whereas Lockwood and Wilson have given us a steady solid look to defence. It's the most solid we have looked in defence for a few years now. If Llera is happy to not be first choice and on a wage that is viable for us to still be able to bring in two decent wingers and a striker then all means happy for him to come in. However I'd suspect he would want to be first choice and be on a decent wedge but I don't see the need the have 6 defenders on a decent wedge. Whatever money is left in the budget we should be looking to spend the majority on two decent wingers and a striker which is where we need quality currently rather than defence. If we have enough in the budget it be able to manage it than great, sign him up but I suspect we don't. I could see Jack Truelove as a winger, he's bloody fast... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 allowing us more numbers in midfield or attack. No wingers needed the attacking fullbacks or wide-midfielders like Mills or Brown or Dayton or even Truelove. I think 4-4-2 is too rigid and having three strong and disciplined central defenders gives us the fluidity to defend and attack on the break but more so play our football in the final two-thirds of the pitch. Uncertain what LJ's preferred formation is but some of the players on trial or brought in so far during the summer can play some exciting and attacking football. Dark horses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticdickovarmy Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Always impressed would be a very good signing I assume we announced it as on trail but sticks out like sore thumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Guru Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Who's hating Kasunga? People are just stating that he was injured a lot last season and are rightly so concerned he could miss large parts of this season. Edited July 12, 2014 by Blue_Guru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Guru Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 A part of me thinks Gros and Llera are done deals ...why else would we name them and not the others? Or is it just because there agents have made it pretty public knowledge they are available and on trial with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Kasunga very much a liability in my eyes based on what I saw of him last season (Probably made 3/4 of games) But, he's well worth another go and if he is played just in front of the defence, any mistake he might be liable to make can be mopped up by the back 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Just intrigued as to hey people think he can play in front of the back 4? Has he played there before? He's a right back from what I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 No doubt he is a quality L1 CB and would be an asset to any team in L1. We currently have Brown, B Wilson, Lockwood, J Wilson, Kusunga, Mills and Truelove for defensive options. There is alot of quality in there and the fact that Lockwood and Wilson have forged an understanding between them is invaluable. Tarky was a quality player but we looked shaky in defence with him whereas Lockwood and Wilson have given us a steady solid look to defence. It's the most solid we have looked in defence for a few years now. If Llera is happy to not be first choice and on a wage that is viable for us to still be able to bring in two decent wingers and a striker then all means happy for him to come in. However I'd suspect he would want to be first choice and be on a decent wedge but I don't see the need the have 6 defenders on a decent wedge. Whatever money is left in the budget we should be looking to spend the majority on two decent wingers and a striker which is where we need quality currently rather than defence. If we have enough in the budget it be able to manage it than great, sign him up but I suspect we don't. True, but were we so solid because Smith was protecting them? Lockwood always seemed a bit slow to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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