Matt Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I'm not remotely interested in political debate on the subject but since when was Che Guevara recategorised as a pacifist? No idea, the revolutionary aspect is cherry picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 No idea, the revolutionary aspect is cherry picked. No idea why displaying his picture/related flags would be regarded as a peaceful positive statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 No idea why displaying his picture/related flags would be regarded as a peaceful positive statement? It the revolutionary aspect that is used - maybe wrongly - however the fact still remains that the positive statements displayed on flags made by fans at football matches similar to Anti Racism, Homophobia, and others are sometimes seen with a Revolutionary Che flag. I can't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 It the revolutionary aspect that is used - maybe wrongly - however the fact still remains that the positive statements displayed on flags made by fans at football matches similar to Anti Racism, Homophobia, and others are sometimes seen with a Revolutionary Che flag. I can't change that. Che image is definitely wrongly used by the left wing considering the bloke was a racist himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Maybe in a fashionable corner in a London suburb, maybe not. I wouldn't know. However you'll often see other flags alongside Che flags at Clapham, United Glasgow, AFC, FCUM, St.Pauli, Cuidad de Murcia, Null Drei, Minsk, other fan-owned or social community clubs and so-on across the world, making a peaceful, positive statement for whatever it might be. Another Football Is Possible. Did any of these clubs really have serious issues with racism and homophobia etc but these communist offended by everything types turned up with there Left Wing ideology and man love banners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Che image is definitely wrongly used by the left wing considering the bloke was a racist himself I think when he went all revolutionary he most certainly did not show racist tendancies, his political views changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShireBlue Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Did any of these clubs really have serious issues with racism and homophobia etc but these communist offended by everything types turned up with there Left Wing ideology and man love banners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Did any of these clubs really have serious issues with racism and homophobia etc but these communist offended by everything types turned up with there Left Wing ideology and man love banners? Read the Daily Mail if you want to witness a slice of 'offended by anything types' - can't vouch for them all, but they're there - and considering that statement, I think fan pressure is still needed at a lot of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Read the Daily Mail if you want to witness a slice of 'offended by anything types' - can't vouch for them all, but they're there - and considering that statement, I think fan pressure is still needed at a lot of clubs. Top swerve there Rummy so what your really saying is you don't know if there was actually any homophobia or racism issues at these clubs beforehand? Edited September 8, 2014 by OAFCM35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I think when he went all revolutionary he most certainly did not show racist tendancies, his political views changed. http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3657/che_guevara_was_no_hero_he_was_a_racist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Did any of these clubs really have serious issues with racism and homophobia etc but these communist offended by everything types turned up with there Left Wing ideology and man love banners? I'm actually crying with laughter at this. It's a positive statement of an attitude, not a...never mind. I'm enjoying this too much. I'm joining the ComFast faction as soon as they let me in. I think it's a portmanteau word referencing one's commitment to both Communism and Buckfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddy_Ender Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Failsworth. Anyone thats Oldham from there deserves ultimate respect given that the whole town supports the Manchester clubs and its proximity to those filthy clubs. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I'm actually crying with laughter at this. It's a positive statement of an attitude, not a...never mind. I'm enjoying this too much. I'm joining the ComFast faction as soon as they let me in. I think it's a portmanteau word referencing one's commitment to both Communism and Buckfast. Another one who can't answer the question Listen im all for opposing something if there's a valid reason to oppose it but it's seems to me there isn't or hasn't been at any of these clubs It's not the 80s anymore.. The NF are at these games handing out right wing literature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Thank you True Worth Never Fails ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Spot onIn jokes are a bit :censored:ty, but just to be clear, I was piss taking my best mate there, not making a social comment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Another one who can't answer the question Listen im all for opposing something if there's a valid reason to oppose it but it's seems to me there isn't or hasn't been at any of these clubs It's not the 80s anymore.. The NF are at these games handing out right wing literature Bradford had a rainbow flag over the ground. I thought it was a bit random but it didn't offend me at all. Personally I find it a bit tiresome if going to shout at people kicking a bag around gets turned into a political issue, but we all know if we are honest that it could still be a bit daunting for many minority groups to take the first step, so it's not a bad thing to have some people being positive either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Bradford had a rainbow flag over the ground. I thought it was a bit random but it didn't offend me at all. Personally I find it a bit tiresome if going to shout at people kicking a bag around gets turned into a political issue, but we all know if we are honest that it could still be a bit daunting for many minority groups to take the first step, so it's not a bad thing to have some people being positive either. I do take your point and the rainbow flag doesn't offend me either but I'd feel a lot less comfortable having to explain to my four year old son why there's a picture of two men kissing up at the back of the Chaddy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I do take your point and the rainbow flag doesn't offend me either but I'd feel a lot less comfortable having to explain to my four year old son why there's a picture of two men kissing up at the back of the Chaddy..Tell him they are Latics fans who love each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Another one who can't answer the question Listen im all for opposing something if there's a valid reason to oppose it but it's seems to me there isn't or hasn't been at any of these clubs It's not the 80s anymore.. The NF are at these games handing out right wing literature That's been answered. It's not the eighties, however there is still lots to be done. I do take your point and the rainbow flag doesn't offend me either but I'd feel a lot less comfortable having to explain to my four year old son why there's a picture of two men kissing up at the back of the Chaddy.. Your four year old son isn't the one who is uncomfortable about it. I didn't have a problem explaining it to my sons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I do take your point and the rainbow flag doesn't offend me either but I'd feel a lot less comfortable having to explain to my four year old son why there's a picture of two men kissing up at the back of the Chaddy.. Four year olds are exceptionally good at accepting these things. It isn't complicated. On a slightly different tangent, I thought I might have difficulty accepting that my daughter is gay. Within hours of the (somewhat surprising) news, I realised I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 The answer is I don't know whether those clubs had problems with homophobia, racism, sexism and so on. I also don't care. The banner is saying, "We are fans of this club and this is our standpoint, so shove it up your jumper." Fans should do more of that. Football has historically been massively politicised...it still is, if you care to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I do take your point and the rainbow flag doesn't offend me either but I'd feel a lot less comfortable having to explain to my four year old son why there's a picture of two men kissing up at the back of the Chaddy.. Aye, I don't mind explaining to kids what a bastard is and why it's better than being a Yorkshireman, or why being full of tits, fanny and Oldham is what makes Lancashire wonderful, or what exactly Gregan did in a chippy, or what a :censored: is and why the angry man keeps shouting it at the referee, but having to explain why two men are kissing is too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) That's been answered. It's not the eighties, however there is still lots to be done. Like what exactly what's the specific need to nail colours to the mast when there's no evident of racism, sexism, homophobia or anything else you wish to oppose going on at these clubs? Ohh and whilst we are at it.. What the bloody hell has the Spanish Civil War got to do with Dulwich, Clapton, FC United or any other of the Non-Spanish club? Edited September 9, 2014 by OAFCM35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 On a slightly different tangent, I thought I might have difficulty accepting that my daughter is gay. Within hours of the (somewhat surprising) news, I realised I didn't. It'll save you hours of waiting up with your shotgun when she's out on a date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Like what exactly what's the specific need to nail colours to the mast when there's no evident of racism, sexism, homophobia or anything else you wish to oppose going on at these clubs? There isn't a specific need. It's just something people do sometimes and should do more of. Ohh and whilst we are at it.. What the bloody hell has the Spanish Civil War got to do with Dulwich, Clapton, FC United or any other of the Non-Spanish club? It's all about solidarity, shared history etc. It used to be a feature of life before Thatcher and Murdoch and Reagan and other evil people came along and ruined it for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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