OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 please explain.if theyre working to pay their way they deserve anything they can afford Very true, just don't see why foreigners are given a helping hand in to work when we have thousands upon thousands of our own nationals who can't find work.. Similarly I fail to see why asylum seekers are being housed when we have thousands of our own nationals that are living on the streets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Christ. Just because it's got Mail in the topic title... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Very true, just don't see why foreigners are given a helping hand in to work when we have thousands upon thousands of our own nationals who can't find work.. Similarly I fail to see why asylum seekers are being housed when we have thousands of our own nationals that are living on the streetsMaybe we should hire Polish people to teach the unemployed English how to find work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Maybe we should hire Polish people to teach the unemployed English how to find work? Alternatively we could always stop letting foreign nationals coming over here and working for minimum wage and in some cases less than minimum wage and maybe some of the English/British unemployed would still have jobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Alternatively we could always stop letting foreign nationals coming over here and working for minimum wage and in some cases less than minimum wage and maybe some of the English/British unemployed would still have jobs? Maybe we shouldn't have started the idea of travelling overseas to make lots of money? Maybe we should get the spanish to send all the ex-pats home? And the portuguese? and the cypriots....etc...ect Maybe, just maybe, if (some) of the unemployed were as hard working as some of the foreign nationals, they would be able to get jobs? And where did you start with all this, saying that "foreigners" are given a helping hand into work? Which isn't true, but if it makes you feel better to pretend you are hard done to and that it's not your fault you can't get a job, then maybe you should carry on believing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Alternatively we could always stop letting foreign nationals coming over here and working for minimum wage and in some cases less than minimum wage and maybe some of the English/British unemployed would still have jobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Maybe we shouldn't have started the idea of travelling overseas to make lots of money? Maybe we should get the spanish to send all the ex-pats home? And the portuguese? and the cypriots....etc...ect Maybe, just maybe, if (some) of the unemployed were as hard working as some of the foreign nationals, they would be able to get jobs? And where did you start with all this, saying that "foreigners" are given a helping hand into work? Which isn't true, but if it makes you feel better to pretend you are hard done to and that it's not your fault you can't get a job, then maybe you should carry on believing it. I'm currently at work but when I get home i will be sure to post my sources on here for you to read at your own leisure Edited September 8, 2014 by OAFCM35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I'm currently at work but when I get home i will be sure to post my sources on here for you to read at your own leisure Can't wait for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Can't wait for this one. I'm sure you can't no doubt you and your gaggle of left wing buddies will come up with a farcical reason to dismiss it Just like you lot did with the Celtic stuff "only a handful" Edited September 8, 2014 by OAFCM35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=993 If that's not giving a helping hand to foreigners then I don't know what is the daily mail have suggested how much these grants are actual for as the official site for these doesn't specify http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2379477/Brussels-offers-UK-firms-1-000-cash-bribes-hire-foreign-workers.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=993 If that's not giving a helping hand to foreigners then I don't know what is the daily mail have suggested how much these grants are actual for as the official site for these doesn't specify http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2379477/Brussels-offers-UK-firms-1-000-cash-bribes-hire-foreign-workers.html Quite soon into your link I can see that it is talking about 5000 young people switching countries throughout the EU in 2015. That is a bollocks and no doubt will cost tens of millions to process, but it has :censored: all to do with people coming here, finding work and getting on with it. Edited September 9, 2014 by leeslover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 http://www.uk-work-pack.com/News Is this not another helping hand for foreigner workers coming to the uk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=993 If that's not giving a helping hand to foreigners then I don't know what is the daily mail have suggested how much these grants are actual for as the official site for these doesn't specify http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2379477/Brussels-offers-UK-firms-1-000-cash-bribes-hire-foreign-workers.html The sums don't add up, it looks like a very small pay back to firms. Also, when you say 'foreigners' you mean EU nationals who are entitled to work throughout Europe and do a fair days work for a fair days pay, as you are? Also if Britain has 800,000 jobs on offer and France 40,000 it looks like we have a healthy job market, albeit unskilled work and probably low-paid (and that's a different matter) - but work nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Do it in here - not in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 The sums don't add up, it looks like a very small pay back to firms. Also, when you say 'foreigners' you mean EU nationals who are entitled to work throughout Europe and do a fair days work for a fair days pay, as you are? Also if Britain has 800,000 jobs on offer and France 40,000 it looks like we have a healthy job market, albeit unskilled work and probably low-paid (and that's a different matter) - but work nonetheless. It's just a damn shame our nationals miss out on this "thriving job market" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Regardless of the whys and wherefores surely we can all agree that people being on the dole who could & should be working is a bad thing, for them personally and society as a whole, & something politicians of all persuasions should always try to do something about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Regardless of the whys and wherefores surely we can all agree that people being on the dole who could & should be working is a bad thing, for them personally and society as a whole, & something politicians of all persuasions should always try to do something about? I agree. Just a shame our political culture is so dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I agree. Just a shame our political culture is so dead. Was it a healthy political culture though? It'd be great if we could finally see an end to party politics and start to get a bit more grown up about life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Was it a healthy political culture though? It'd be great if we could finally see an end to party politics and start to get a bit more grown up about life. I'm not holding my breath for better times ahead in politics. The rule seems to be for politicians to make things worse as gradually as possible, with the occasional blow out when they make things much more worse much more quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'm not holding my breath for better times ahead in politics. The rule seems to be for politicians to make things worse as gradually as possible, with the occasional blow out when they make things much more worse much more quickly.True, but I'll take a few hundred quid in my pocket in return for not paying for loudhailers over the border to shout that I'm a :censored: to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 It's just a damn shame our nationals miss out on this "thriving job market" who says they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 who says they do? 50% off all jobs advertised go to non brits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 50% off all jobs advertised go to non brits So what's your solution to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 So what's your solution to that? I fear that no matter what changes that could be made it will all be "too little too late" but standing independent from the EU so we can govern our own boarders in a similar fashion to how Australia deal with immigration certainly would be a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I fear that no matter what changes that could be made it will all be "too little too late" but standing independent from the EU so we can govern our own boarders in a similar fashion to how Australia deal with immigration certainly would be a start too late for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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