Pine Villains Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 50% off all jobs advertised go to non brits says who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I fear that no matter what changes that could be made it will all be "too little too late" but standing independent from the EU so we can govern our own boarders in a similar fashion to how Australia deal with immigration certainly would be a start Assuming independence was attained how would you deal with the existing migrant populations (both legal and illegal)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 too late for what? Too late to change the fact that 50% of our jobs vacancies are not getting filled by British nationals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Too late to change the fact that 50% of our jobs vacancies are not getting filled by British nationals Let's imagine for a moment that this was true. Why are jobs not getting filled by British nationals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 says who? May of got that figure wrong it's 3 out of 4 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2014986/Three-jobs-going-foreigners-UK-migrants-No-wonder-Britons-languish-benefits.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Let's imagine for a moment that this was true. Why are jobs not getting filled by British nationals? http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/3662691 <- that won't help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 That doesn't answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Assuming independence was attained how would you deal with the existing migrant populations (both legal and illegal)? Make benefits contribution based (you can't take out if you haven't put in) If they commit a crime or haven't found work in a year they get deported back to their home country Illegals sent back no questions asked- asylum seekers are allowed to claim asylum at the first country they arrive at.. So we shouldn't be getting people crossing Europe to claim asylum here because they want a piece of our open door & soft benefits policies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 That doesn't answer the question. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10995875/David-Cameron-Were-building-an-immigration-system-that-puts-Britain-first.html Even David Cameron can see what's need to be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Neither does that. I'll emphasise a key part of the question: Why are jobs not getting filled by British nationals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Neither does that. I'll emphasise a key part of the question: Why are jobs not getting filled by British nationals? Read through the thread i have been over this Foreigners are getting a helping hand in to uk jobs, companies offer cash incentives for taking on foreigners over Brits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Read through the thread i have been over this Foreigners are getting a helping hand in to uk jobs, companies offer cash incentives for taking on foreigners over Brits There have been other perfectly erudite responses already, no need for me to tread familiar ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 The May of got that figure wrong it's 3 out of 4http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2014986/Three-jobs-going-foreigners-UK-migrants-No-wonder-Britons-languish-benefits.html That article was in 2011, there was also an article in the Telegraph (same side of the fence) from 2012 that goes into why immigrants aren't taking British Jobs, how papers like the Express misquote official reports to make it sounds like immigrants are bad. I quite liked the point that it takes 13 migrants to displace 1 British job. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielknowles/100129096/why-immigrants-arent-taking-british-jobs/ 'Even Cameron....'??? As for EURES, it does seem to be reciprical in nature i.e. Brits can use it in other countries to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) As for EURES, it does seem to be reciprical in nature i.e. Brits can use it in other countries to. Yea but your missing the fact that 50% of the jobs advertised on there are British.. Surely that equates to one thing Edited September 12, 2014 by OAFCM35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Let's face it, we are an attractive proposition regarding jobs, The low pay here is still a lot more than in other less well off countries. I have worked with a few foreign migrants and that they have every right to come over here and find work The EU insisits they be treated like any other job applicants. and why not.I also think that it takes a brave person/s to upsticks leave behind their families and settle into a country that they may well have difficulty with language/ culture and someone to turn to when needed. I think potential employers see them as hungry to work and willing to put the extra hours in at minimum wage or there abouts, Where some brits think 38- hours is enough. The only down side i see to this is that some of these migrants bring their families children etc and would probably be entitled to working tax credits , I'm not sure that it is all that beneficial to the tax payer on the whole,that goes for british families too, It's a bit of a :censored: when both parents work up to 40 hours a week and yet they still need handouts. there is of course a fair amount of benefit abuse going on too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Working tax credits just subsidise low wages and are very hard to administer. They would have done better to just raise the income tax starting threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Working tax credits just subsidise low wages and are very hard to administer. They would have done better to just raise the income tax starting threshold. That's still not enough Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Let's face it, we are an attractive proposition regarding jobs, The low pay here is still a lot more than in other less well off countries. I have worked with a few foreign migrants and that they have every right to come over here and find work The EU insisits they be treated like any other job applicants. and why not.I also think that it takes a brave person/s to upsticks leave behind their families and settle into a country that they may well have difficulty with language/ culture and someone to turn to when needed. I think potential employers see them as hungry to work and willing to put the extra hours in at minimum wage or there abouts, Where some brits think 38- hours is enough. The only down side i see to this is that some of these migrants bring their families children etc and would probably be entitled to working tax credits , I'm not sure that it is all that beneficial to the tax payer on the whole,that goes for british families too, It's a bit of a :censored: when both parents work up to 40 hours a week and yet they still need handouts. there is of course a fair amount of benefit abuse going on too. Fair points, the UK worker probably works longer then its continental counterpart... http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/dec/08/europe-working-hours#data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 May of got that figure wrong it's 3 out of 4 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2014986/Three-jobs-going-foreigners-UK-migrants-No-wonder-Britons-languish-benefits.html To be honest, the Mail wasn't the only :censored:rag to get it wrong this time. https://fullfact.org/blog/daily_mail_foreign_worker_statistics_immigration-2819?eol=false Fullfact have repeatedly told the Government that these claims are wrong, and it needs correcting. We haven’t been shy about pointing out this misunderstanding in the past, and have even asked the Office for National Statistics to include a note of explanation to accompany the figures to guard against this inaccuracy, so we hope that the mistake can be quickly and easily put right. ...and isn't that the same Anthony Browne (politco-banker) who is an advocate for the UK to join the European single currency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10995875/David-Cameron-Were-building-an-immigration-system-that-puts-Britain-first.html Even David Cameron can see what's need to be done You just keep pulling the same old "I want Britain to be about British" bull:censored: seemingly from up your arse. You've zig-zagged from one collapsible argument based on poor reporting to the next,I refer you to the answer Z gave earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 You just keep pulling the same old "I want Britain to be about British" bull:censored: seemingly from up your arse. You've zig-zagged from one collapsible argument based on poor reporting to the next,I refer you to the answer Z gave earlier. No I posted my source and you quibbled over them and then produce your sources that was far from conclusive There's no zigzagging here just find myself answering similar questions to different people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 To be honest, the Mail wasn't the only :censored:rag to get it wrong this time. https://fullfact.org/blog/daily_mail_foreign_worker_statistics_immigration-2819?eol=false Fullfact have repeatedly told the Government that these claims are wrong, and it needs correcting. ...and isn't that the same Anthony Browne (politco-banker) who is an advocate for the UK to join the European single currency? No I posted my source and you quibbled over them and then produce your sources that was far from conclusive There's no zigzagging here just find myself answering similar questions to different people Now your just being silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Neither does that. I'll emphasise a key part of the question: Why are jobs not getting filled by British nationals? In part because harder working, reliable adult Eastern Europeans will work long term for the same money that unreliable, 18/19 year old British kids used to short term before moving on to what they really wanted to do. You can't blame companies for looking after their own best interests but the social costs will be huge in years to come. We'd already had a couple of generations of formerly working class people who never worked and now Labour have recruited a load more. All for a "fairer society". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Working tax credits just subsidise low wages and are very hard to administer. They would have done better to just raise the income tax starting threshold. They have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 They haveI meant more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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