HarryBosch Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Why are the Tories against independance when, I've read, it would mean Labour being unlikely to ever win again down here in a General Election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 The full title is the Conservative and Unionist party. Cameron is the first PM since one of the Pitts to lose a vote on war and peace. Not great for him if he also loses the union. Plus the boundaries are redrawn by convention so that the number of seats resembles share of the vote. It's such a mess that all bets are off if Scotland goes. No doubt the Tory press and media will nod sagely and say something along the lines of "this has been a bad week for fratricidal Ed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 It'll be reet. Dave, Ed and Cleggy are heading up there now as well as Nigel. It's in the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 And Miliband's posing with a saltaire with the mayor of Liverpool. If that doesn't win over the Fenian separatists I don't know what will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I don't get them flying a Saltire over Downing Street either. Shouldn't it be the Union Flag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Heard serious talk of repeal of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act next month if the Scots vote yes - to allow an election before May next year. I absolutely cannot work out why anyone would want that, so I'm thinking of it as a massive, unignorable sign of establishment panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) If they want their independence let them have it, I personally would like to keep Britain together but it's their choice not ours, this is interesting read thou -> http://www.businessinsider.com/scottish-independence-and-russian-submarine-invasion-2014-8 Edited September 9, 2014 by OAFCM35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Heard serious talk of repeal of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act next month if the Scots vote yes - to allow an election before May next year. I absolutely cannot work out why anyone would want that, so I'm thinking of it as a massive, unignorable sign of establishment panic.There is panic for sure, but I don't understand why you don't get that English electors aren't going to have legislators from what is going to be a foreign country votinrg on their :censored: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I don't get the desire to get independence from the United Kingdom and then pursue direct rule from Brussels. I don't get the desire to get independence from the United Kingdom and then share a currency union with a much bigger nation that, like the Germans within the Euro, would inevitably call the shots. I don't get the desire to get independence from the United Kingdom and yet have no central bank of your own. I understand the desire for independence. But I'm buggered if I understand what's sensible about Salmond's approach to it. Insanity rules. Oh, and if Cameron loses Scotland there's no way he will be staying on as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 There is panic for sure, but I don't understand why you don't get that English electors aren't going to have legislators from what is going to be a foreign country votinrg on their :censored: People might think the idea is so self-evidently unsatisfactory that it won't happen, but it's happened on a daily basis since devolution - and no one's stormed the barricades. I think people would be pissed off if they gave it two seconds' thought. But will they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I don't want Independence and considering the lack of forward planning by SNP, I wouldn't be happy about voting 'yes' on what currently is on the table. Considering one of the main strengths of doing so is that they 'might' keep the pound seems a little flawed and not very independent. On the otherhand, I can see the issues that they have with the government of London and in many ways, Scots and Northerners share the same problems and I hope that the Northern MP's use this opportunity to stick their boots in to grab more power for us lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Another complication: any change to the date of the general election requires a two-thirds majority - so repeal of the FTPA won't happen without some god awful stitch-up, which is unlikely since all the parties to the stitch-up have nothing to gain from it. Edited September 10, 2014 by 24hoursfromtulsehill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I don't get the desire to get independence from the United Kingdom and then pursue direct rule from Brussels. 75% of the laws implemented in the UK are made in Brussels, regardless of what happens with Scottish Independence this must change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 75% of the laws implemented in the UK are made in Brussels... That's bull:censored:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 That's bull:censored:. 'ere, do you get a vote or wot? Yes [] No [X] Remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 'ere, do you get a vote or wot? Yes [] No [X] Remember. I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I do. How are you gonna vote? Honestly. If I were you, I'd vote yes, but I'm me, and I want you to vote no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 75% of the laws implemented in the UK are made in Brussels, regardless of what happens with Scottish Independence this must change more bollocks from you.did you fact check your news source? http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/RP10-62/how-much-legislation-comes-from-europe https://fullfact.org/factchecks/proportion_of_uk_law_made_by_eu-3073 anything from 15% to 50% of uk law comes from the eu,but some of the laws are not actually used in the uk even though they apply to the uk. so you can see,15% or 50% you can spin it anyway you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 more bollocks from you.did you fact check your news source? http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/RP10-62/how-much-legislation-comes-from-europe https://fullfact.org/factchecks/proportion_of_uk_law_made_by_eu-3073 anything from 15% to 50% of uk law comes from the eu,but some of the laws are not actually used in the uk even though they apply to the uk. so you can see,15% or 50% you can spin it anyway you like. And they're usually laws about really, really small stuff, such as the standardisation of this or that thing that no one ever thinks about. It's not as if your Eurocrats change the law against murder or anything. There's loads of reasons to despise the EU without that load of bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 How are you gonna vote? Honestly. If I were you, I'd vote yes, but I'm me, and I want you to vote no. I'm torn. Leaning slightly towards a yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 That's bull:censored:. more bollocks from you.did you fact check your news source? http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/RP10-62/how-much-legislation-comes-from-europe https://fullfact.org/factchecks/proportion_of_uk_law_made_by_eu-3073 anything from 15% to 50% of uk law comes from the eu,but some of the laws are not actually used in the uk even though they apply to the uk. so you can see,15% or 50% you can spin it anyway you like. And they're usually laws about really, really small stuff, such as the standardisation of this or that thing that no one ever thinks about. It's not as if your Eurocrats change the law against murder or anything. There's loads of reasons to despise the EU without that load of bollocks. http://www.ukip.org/75_of_our_laws_are_made_by_eu_institutions_says_senior_european_commissioner_viviane_reding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 http://www.ukip.org/75_of_our_laws_are_made_by_eu_institutions_says_senior_european_commissioner_viviane_reding Yeah, because all sensible people seek truth by visiting the UKIP website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yeah, because all sensible people seek truth by visiting the UKIP website. I may of taken your view onboard of you would of actually bothered watching the video on the link.. It's not a UKIP member saying this it's the EU's institutions senior European Commissioner Viviane Reding saying it Maybe if you took on board what other people say instead of dismissing it all the time you MIGHT learn something for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 ..and she's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 ..and she's wrong. She works for the governing body, I'm more incline to believe her than you or anybody else for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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