oafc-latics Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 To be fair, did Johnson ever say he didn't want to sign him? Or that he did? He wouldn't have been able to 'cower behind' SC if SC had had the sense not to get into the whole sorry ordeal in the first place. I'm sure Corney said on one of the Radio Manchester phone-ins that Johnson went to the board in January and told them to sign him. But the first rumours after Rochdale away might have been initiated by the board. Mind you, I mentioned that the other day and got shot down for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I'm sure Corney said on one of the Radio Manchester phone-ins that Johnson went to the board in January and told them to sign him. But the first rumours after Rochdale away might have been initiated by the board. Mind you, I mentioned that the other day and got shot down for it. I get shot down, but I get up again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'm sure Corney said on one of the Radio Manchester phone-ins that Johnson went to the board in January and told them to sign him. But the first rumours after Rochdale away might have been initiated by the board. Mind you, I mentioned that the other day and got shot down for it. Your right, it was me who asked corney on the radio for clarification over the saga. Corney confirmed Johnson asked the board in the new year about signing the player. That week of hell, I think when Johnson was asked by a reported on tv about the signing.....he said it was up to the board over the signing. Deflecting the question and made me think at the time that he did not have any control over the signing if it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'm sure Corney said on one of the Radio Manchester phone-ins that Johnson went to the board in January and told them to sign him. But the first rumours after Rochdale away might have been initiated by the board. Mind you, I mentioned that the other day and got shot down for it. I take anything Corney says with a pinch of salt. Didn't Barry at one point mention that Johnson wasn't keen when the idea was initially floated but changed his mind after meeting with Evans? That would suggest he wasn't the one who initiated the whole thing. It's irrelevant though, because the Board should have had the sense to tell their manager they weren't willing to put the club's reputation on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The way I interpreted events was: Barry meets Evans Johnson leaks it to the press Judgement call that the negative reaction meant don't do it Latics start losing badly and need a striker Johnson asks board to reignite the deal The board, foolishly, back the manager and all hell breaks loose Johnson distances himself from the deal on camera Deal collapses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The way I interpreted events was: Barry meets Evans Johnson leaks it to the press Judgement call that the negative reaction meant don't do it Latics start losing badly and need a striker Johnson asks board to reignite the deal The board, foolishly, back the manager and all hell breaks loose Johnson distances himself from the deal on camera Deal collapses It was the chairman of the PFA who leaked it to the press. Tried to force us to stop dragging our heels and ended up having the opposite effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 So we were creating nothing with 1 up top so you would have replaced the 1. Still playing 4-4-1-1 ? Or would you have changed the formation too? Didnt someone say that Fuller was going to come on at half time? We had some decent position in front of their back four, just nothing beyond that, so we needed anybody with a bit of pace and power, which Poleon does possess and Fuller used to, to infiltrate that space behind. There are circumstances where formation is important but I'm more of a believer in personnel as a dictator of the game, as a general rule. We'd have been a totally different side with a fast striker, without having to change formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 We had some decent position in front of their back four, just nothing beyond that, so we needed anybody with a bit of pace and power, which Poleon does possess and Fuller used to, to infiltrate that space behind. There are circumstances where formation is important but I'm more of a believer in personnel as a dictator of the game, as a general rule. We'd have been a totally different side with a fast striker, without having to change formation. Doms pace is irrelevant. He can't hold his run despite looking right along the line. Then he went up front and didn't move instead opting to take up the no10 position rather than playing on the shoulder. Bizzare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Doms pace is irrelevant. He can't hold his run despite looking right along the line. Then he went up front and didn't move instead opting to take up the no10 position rather than playing on the shoulder. Bizzare. We had some decent position in front of their back four, just nothing beyond that, so we needed anybody with a bit of pace and power, which Poleon does possess and Fuller used to, to infiltrate that space behind. There are circumstances where formation is important but I'm more of a believer in personnel as a dictator of the game, as a general rule. We'd have been a totally different side with a fast striker, without having to change formation. I dont think it would have helped even if we had Lewandowski up top. The service from midfield was non existent and our fullbacks never pushed on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horlicks Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I will also say about Johnson that in Adam Rooney we had potentially one of the best strikers of recent times at the club but he couldn't get us to play in a way to suit him the way Aberdeen obviously have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I wouldn't have Johnson back slowly but surely despite our poor record I see the beginnings of an improvement under Dunn ultimately points decide our destiny. Johnson's reaped what he's sowed I'm sure he'll sign a few more loanees and turn it round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I will also say about Johnson that in Adam Rooney we had potentially one of the best strikers of recent times at the club but he couldn't get us to play in a way to suit him the way Aberdeen obviously have. On that, I agree. His biggest failing, no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 From the way LJ spoke at the Meet the Manager in January 2014, the problem with Rooney wasn't the system but his off the field issues. He'd put them behind him by then in terms of them being completed but sometimes you associate a place with a bad time and we were unlucky that, once he moved away, he could put it all behind him and improved his success on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 From the way LJ spoke at the Meet the Manager in January 2014, the problem with Rooney wasn't the system but his off the field issues. He'd put them behind him by then in terms of them being completed but sometimes you associate a place with a bad time and we were unlucky that, once he moved away, he could put it all behind him and improved his success on the pitch. and Aberdeen dont play him on the wing, that always helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 and Aberdeen dont play him on the wing, that always helps! We did that maybe a couple of times? He kept drifting out there anyway so we might have thought what the hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Finally someone has mentioned it. Best manager in our recent history who played attractive football. He knew the market both for buying and selling as well. Yes he was a bully and he did take it far with some players. Hopefully he's learned from his mistakes. We let him go and I think Corney wouldn't hesitate to get him back Explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 We did that maybe a couple of times? He kept drifting out there anyway so we might have thought what the hell. Johnson played him left wing a damn site more than he played him as a striker - which is where Aberdeen play him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Adam Rooney at Walsall away though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitey1980 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Adam Rooney at Walsall away though Anyone could miss a penalty.........The skied effort from underneath the cross-bar either just before or after (not sure which!!) showed a striker lacking all confidence and instinct! His drifting to the wing was just symbolic of the state of his game at that time. He was willing to work hard but was hopelessly out of touch and I suspect was becoming scared to miss. Full marks to him for turning his career back around though and it is a fair call to hold the failure of the signing as a question mark against LJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Anyone could miss a penalty.........The skied effort from underneath the cross-bar either just before or after (not sure which!!) showed a striker lacking all confidence and instinct! His drifting to the wing was just symbolic of the state of his game at that time. He was willing to work hard but was hopelessly out of touch and I suspect was becoming scared to miss. Full marks to him for turning his career back around though and it is a fair call to hold the failure of the signing as a question mark against LJ. Yea the sitter he missed before it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Not too many people complained when Rooney was shipped out though. Most people agreed it was for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Not too many people complained when Rooney was shipped out though. Most people agreed it was for the best. Tells you more about the fans than the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I remember him playing wide once, Sheff Utd away, possibly his best game for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I remember him playing wide once, Sheff Utd away, possibly his best game for us. Here's one of them fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Not too many people complained when Rooney was shipped out though. Most people agreed it was for the best. It was. He was pretty garbage for us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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