palmer1 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) He has to go doesn't he? If Dunn is staying then he needs to bring his own men in? Holden arrived and it coincided with a drop in form under LJ ( someone correct me if wrong) Then his own spell in charge where he had every chance to make the job his own. He failed miserably! Then Darren Kelly who had Holden has as assistant. Too early maybe but some of the most negative afraid not to lose football seen at BP in years. Now he is advising Dunn. Holden will still be offering the same pearls of wisdom that he offered to LJ and DK and that saw him fail in charge. Can Dunn be strong enough to have his own mind? Can Holden keep his position at the club? IMO he has to go as well because if he stays nothing changes. Edited September 13, 2015 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 He has to go doesn't he? If Dunn is staying then he needs to bring his own men in? Holden arrived and it coincided with a drop in form under LJ ( someone correct me if wrong) Then his own spell in charge where he had every chance to make the job his own. He failed miserably! Then Darren Kelly who had Holden has as assistant. Too early maybe but some of the most negative afraid not to lose football seen at BP in years. Now he is advising Dunn. Holden will still be offering the same pearls of wisdom that he offered to LJ and DK and that saw him fail in charge. Can Dunn be strong enough to have his own mind? Can Holden keep his position at the club? IMO he has to go as well because if he stays nothing changes. DK was often quoted that we looked good in training... That's probably down to the coach... #getmecoat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 DK was often quoted that we looked good in training... That's probably down to the coach... #getmecoat Its looking good in a competitive games which matters most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Another Holden thread, getting boring now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Another Holden thread, getting boring now. Wat?Holdens filofosphy? Hehehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Another Holden thread, getting boring now. I agree. Ideally Dunn or whoever is in charge will bring in their own number two, but Holden isn't the root of all evil. He should take his fair share of the blame for Kelly failing but no more than that, certainly no more than the board. Edited September 13, 2015 by the_mighty_bosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 He has to go doesn't he? If Dunn is staying then he needs to bring his own men in? Holden arrived and it coincided with a drop in form under LJ ( someone correct me if wrong) Then his own spell in charge where he had every chance to make the job his own. He failed miserably! Then Darren Kelly who had Holden has as assistant. Too early maybe but some of the most negative afraid not to lose football seen at BP in years. Now he is advising Dunn. Holden will still be offering the same pearls of wisdom that he offered to LJ and DK and that saw him fail in charge. Can Dunn be strong enough to have his own mind? Can Holden keep his position at the club? IMO he has to go as well because if he stays nothing changes. I believe the Evans affair had far more relevance to our drop in form than Dean Holden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Whether he goes immediately or further down the line when it costs the club less, or nothing, to get rid (although I've heard he's paid peanuts) I'd like to think a manager who spent most of his career in the top flight could bring in a better assistant and coaching team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Tony Parkes? No idea what he is doing now or if they are pally or not but there is someone who has seen all the game has to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Main Stand Banter Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Whether he goes immediately or further down the line when it costs the club less, or nothing, to get rid (although I've heard he's paid peanuts) I'd like to think a manager who spent most of his career in the top flight could bring in a better assistant and coaching team... Agreed. We need to back the manager and let him bring in his own man. Really important and if we don't we're setting up another guy to fail. Edited September 13, 2015 by Main Stand Banter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafckev Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Oldham's record since Holden came back to be a coach - 41 games, 9 wins 13 draws and 19 losses meaning a win percentage of 22%. Far from solely being his fault but I think if i were him i'd try and get another gig with another club as his name is quickly being dragged through the mud if he wants to get a respected career as a coach / manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDHAMADE Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Tony Parkes? No idea what he is doing now or if they are pally or not but there is someone who has seen all the game has to offer. Another great footballing man like Jim Harvey, Makes perfect sense as long as the manager takes all the advice he has to offer (unlike billy big bollox who's gone) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Another great footballing man like Jim Harvey, Makes perfect sense as long as the manager takes all the advice he has to offer (unlike billy big bollox who's gone) I think David "I could have got Blackburn promoted all on my own" Dunn is more of a Billy Big Bollocks than Kelly ever was or will be. Even said himself he was surprised to get the gig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDHAMADE Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I think David "I could have got Blackburn promoted all on my own" Dunn is more of a Billy Big Bollocks than Kelly ever was or will be. Even said himself he was surprised to get the gig Oh I think BBB covers it nicely, I said I'd be back on here the moment he was sent packing and it was a hell of alot sooner than even I could have imagined Had Kelly done the right thing and taken Harveys advice he might of stood a chance as a rookie, Dunn as much as I like him as a player will need a more experienced head along side him and Tony Parkes was an incredible stand in at Rovers that would fit any bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Oh I think BBB covers it nicely, I said I'd be back on here the moment he was sent packing and it was a hell of alot sooner than even I could have imagined Had Kelly done the right thing and taken Harveys advice he might of stood a chance as a rookie, Dunn as much as I like him as a player will need a more experienced head along side him and Tony Parkes was an incredible stand in at Rovers that would fit any bill To be fair, you're 24 hours late ?? what makes you think Harvey was the right assistant though? Not done much himself in his career iirc, agree that if we go down the rookie route again as we clearly have then an experienced assistant is needed. As it has been with all previous rookies and I include Johnson in that - though he did get Tommy Wright in eventually Edited September 13, 2015 by JWhite101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrnes boots Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 He has to go doesn't he? If Dunn is staying then he needs to bring his own men in? Holden arrived and it coincided with a drop in form under LJ ( someone correct me if wrong) Then his own spell in charge where he had every chance to make the job his own. He failed miserably! Then Darren Kelly who had Holden has as assistant. Too early maybe but some of the most negative afraid not to lose football seen at BP in years. Now he is advising Dunn. Holden will still be offering the same pearls of wisdom that he offered to LJ and DK and that saw him fail in charge. Can Dunn be strong enough to have his own mind? Can Holden keep his position at the club? IMO he has to go as well because if he stays nothing changes. We were better when muzza was coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 We were better when muzza was coach I like Murray and results did take a downturn when he went but I'd rather Dunn brought in some new blood, and better quality new blood than we've become accustomed to these last several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Tony Parkes? No idea what he is doing now or if they are pally or not but there is someone who has seen all the game has to offer. Scouting for Blackburn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Guru Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 DK's hiring and firing of Harvey was probably one of his undoings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 DK's hiring and firing of Harvey was probably one of his undoings That was the first red flag for me regarding Kelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Another great footballing man like Jim Harvey, DK's hiring and firing of Harvey was probably one of his undoings That was the first red flag for me regarding Kelly. Is this some in joke I'm not in on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Where's this view that Jim Harvey is Mourinho come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Is this some in joke I'm not in on? Regardless of Harvey's ability, any manager who brings in an experienced member of staff then gets rid of him before a competitive game has been played shows that his plan for the club isn't very clear. Kelly had more than enough time when preparing for the job for earmark a coach that he felt was good enough. Edited September 13, 2015 by the_mighty_bosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Where's this view that Jim Harvey is Mourinho come from? Mourinho is doing pretty :censored: at the moment to be fair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Holden isn't the route of all evil. That's the M62 isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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