opinions4u Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Nathan Clarke had a decent game for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 U hav a agender pal It's an agender numpty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 It's an agender numpty At least your admitting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 At least your admitting it My what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 From what I can see, out of control would count as reckless which is a yellow card. A red for serious foul play would seemingly need to be a lunge with excessive force. And no distinction made whether that's from the front, side or back. Yes I think you are right. It's yellow for reckless, hence a foul even if you get the ball. It's a red if it's excessive force and dangerous, which it wasn't. Sadly, typical of modern crap Prem refs we have these days, he couldn't wait to pull the card out. He had to take centre stage and make a crucial game-changing decision based on a hunch. Why not ask the linesman for their opinion? The fact the ref's feel they have to make the call to avoid being weak, and their call sticks so once they've made a decision another official rarely counters it, is leading to many errors. The mentality to get the right decisions (efficiency being the priority), is the same mentality of those who want more technology. Those that oppose it, support the culture of embracing constant human error and game-changing officiating failures as "part of the game". For me that's infuriating as there's nothing more annoying than forking out loads of dosh to have an official play a big part in the result, rather than it just being a fair game. Maybe it's all these armchair Sky fans that represent this mythical populous that loves to debate these things "down the pub", so we can't have the a proven method to ensure right decisions are made nearly all the time - despite it being so successful in other sports...! Anyway, this guy on the Facebook page said he's been trained as a ref. He said the following: "He's not in full control of his body as he goes into the tackle. He's won the ball, with his side foot, studs are not showing. For me, it's a foul and yellow at most. The follow through makes it look quite a bad one, but the ref didn't give himself any time. If that was me, I'd have blown for the foul then ran towards the touch line to by myself some thinking time. Called him over then booked him. That ref has made an instinctive decision, which was ultimately wrong. Three questions the ref should ask: 1) Was it a foul - Yes, he want in control of his body when he made the tackle and he lunged in. 2) Was it reckless - Yes, as above so it's a yellow card 3) Was it excessive No, he wasn't deliberately endangering the opponent, it was dangerously high and he took the ball before the man. Yellow card was the right decision. It's a game of opinions though and he can get only give what he sees at the time. Hopefully it will be overturned on appeal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Taking the ball before the man is totally irrelevant in deciding whether a challenge is reckless dangerous or in control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Brian Wilson should get closer to stop the cross coming in, Coleman has to catch it or at least attempt to do so. Keepers these days tend not to take a ball in flight, prefering to leave it to defenders to clear. However, with our defenders you cant count on that. As you says it helps if crosses can be prevented at source. Edited January 17, 2016 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Yes I think you are right. It's yellow for reckless, hence a foul even if you get the ball. It's a red if it's excessive force and dangerous, which it wasn't. Sadly, typical of modern crap Prem refs we have these days, he couldn't wait to pull the card out. He had to take centre stage and make a crucial game-changing decision based on a hunch. Why not ask the linesman for their opinion? The fact the ref's feel they have to make the call to avoid being weak, and their call sticks so once they've made a decision another official rarely counters it, is leading to many errors. The mentality to get the right decisions (efficiency being the priority), is the same mentality of those who want more technology. Those that oppose it, support the culture of embracing constant human error and game-changing officiating failures as "part of the game". For me that's infuriating as there's nothing more annoying than forking out loads of dosh to have an official play a big part in the result, rather than it just being a fair game. Maybe it's all these armchair Sky fans that represent this mythical populous that loves to debate these things "down the pub", so we can't have the a proven method to ensure right decisions are made nearly all the time - despite it being so successful in other sports...! Anyway, this guy on the Facebook page said he's been trained as a ref. He said the following: "He's not in full control of his body as he goes into the tackle. He's won the ball, with his side foot, studs are not showing. For me, it's a foul and yellow at most. The follow through makes it look quite a bad one, but the ref didn't give himself any time. If that was me, I'd have blown for the foul then ran towards the touch line to by myself some thinking time. Called him over then booked him. That ref has made an instinctive decision, which was ultimately wrong. Three questions the ref should ask: 1) Was it a foul - Yes, he want in control of his body when he made the tackle and he lunged in. 2) Was it reckless - Yes, as above so it's a yellow card 3) Was it excessive No, he wasn't deliberately endangering the opponent, it was dangerously high and he took the ball before the man. Yellow card was the right decision. It's a game of opinions though and he can get only give what he sees at the time. Hopefully it will be overturned on appeal." Agree with majority of what you're saying, except the use of technology! I think introducing stoppages for video repays would fundamentally change the flow of the game which would be a bad thing. Plus it could only be implemented at the highest level, unless clubs at our level had all the cameras paid for. Diving and play acting cause huge problems for refs and probably don't help with their decision making. This could be dealt with easily with tough retrospective bans after a panel of ex players review footage after the game. But that's probably a discussion for a different sub-forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Taking the ball before the man is totally irrelevant in deciding whether a challenge is reckless dangerous or in controlTrue, it's all about excessive force. Didn't look like excessive force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 After seeing the replay, I don't believe it was a sending off. However, I don't think the club will appeal it and they're better positioned than me to make that call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 That is a shocking decision from the ref yesterday to give Brown a straight red, whatever you think of Brown as a footballer that was as a good as a challenge you will see. Goes in 1 footed and takes the ball. The problem is that poor refs dont get penalised. I'm not sure I'd file it alongside the best tackles I've ever seen but it wasn't a foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 It's an agender numpty It's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Who was the physio on Saturday? Just looked on the staff profiles and the doesn't have a profile now? Rick Holden to take over??? He did it at Barnsley. Dream team lineup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 It's not. Wakey wakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Club won't appeal, It costs money!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Was a cast iron red card... Both feet clearly off the ground, it rash and dirty... Can't believe there is so much debate....That keeper is :censored:ing awful as well by the way... Edited January 18, 2016 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 FFS I really am not allowed an opinion am I.... Watched it on the Sky website.. His feet very clearly leave the ground. That is a red card no matter which way you look at it. Read the rule book! Other posters have also pointed out his feet leave the ground.... How do his feet clearly leaving the ground? Can the same not be said about every slide tackle if you pause the video at the right time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I was at the match and I have just looked in the newspaper, and checked with BBC website. Both confirm what I was sure had happened ie that connor Brown was shown a Red Card in the 41st minute..I cannot therefore subscribe to the view " that it was never a red card". On a more serious note the referee was 55 yards nearer than us had seconds to make up his mind.....we have now had 66 hours to debate and decide and we still can't agree. So I am prepared to accept the referees decision especially as I genuinely believe that whether he is right or wrong the referee has to be right! Without that concept there is no game of football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Im of the opinon that the red card made no difference what so ever as Connor Brown would have added absolutley nothing to our performance. no point in appealing as it will cost money and he ireally snt worth it. Shez is a proper footballer and will ship him out as soon as his contract is up, unless wo down of course then he is cheap and makes up numbers. never a red though.... Edited January 18, 2016 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 lol ? And the other posters who agree his feet left the ground ? They just don't like him and have been clouded by that. They will be a bit sad inside that they have drawn a conclusion in line with yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'm an FA ref, I wouldn't have sent him off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'm an FA ref, I wouldn't have sent him off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'm an FA ref, I wouldn't have sent him off Out of interest, would you have given a free-kick or yellow card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) I'm an FA ref, I wouldn't have sent him off That is absolutely fine and your decision has to be right if you are in charge...you would not have sent him off because you did did not see an out of control excessive force tackle. If the match official did I am sure you would agree he has to send him off and I am sure you support him even if on this occasion you disagree? Edited January 18, 2016 by Magister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 That is absolutely fine and your decision has to be right if you are in charge...you would not have sent him off because you did did not see an out of control excessive force tackle. If the match official did I am sure you would agree he has to send him off and I am sure you support him even if on this occasion you disagree? To be clear, I think the ref made the (wrong) decision in an honest enough way. Unfortunately, sending someone off isn't a great one to get wrong, as it is likely to have a significant impact on the outcome of the game. It should be rescinded (it won't be though) but we won't miss Brown anyway. But how someone can look at the challenge, with the benefit of the camera angle (better than the ref's view) and replays and come to the conclusion that it definitely warrants a red card is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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