underdog Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I would have liked to have seen a third box on the ballot paper...undecided. It would have been interesting to see how many of the population, me included felt they could not make an informed decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I would have liked to have seen a third box on the ballot paper...undecided. It would have been interesting to see how many of the population, me included felt they could not make an informed decision. 28%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I would have liked to have seen a third box on the ballot paper...undecided. It would have been interesting to see how many of the population, me included felt they could not make an informed decision. I was remain but not by much - Farage's racism probably tipped it for me in the end. Surely this fiasco (it's worse than Suez) could've been avoided with no referendum at all. It's just not sensible to allow or make the British public decide on a huge plank of UK foreign policy. And it might be democratic, but is it tolerant to allow 52% to co-opt 48% into that decision? Undecideds plus remainers far outnumber leavers. If a party wins on a manifesto commitment in October to not leave the EU or to rejoin (or whatever the situation is at the time), does that trump the referendum result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 We're not out yet. Parliament has to repeal the EU act of 1972 and I cannot see this happening despite what Cameron says, he cannot speak for all MPs. That is the option to pull out unilaterally. The PM can activate whatsit 50 by himself and the deal is made between heads of state. Will have to go through Parliament at some point but god knows what will happen if MPs block it because they didn't like the verdict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 That is the option to pull out unilaterally. The PM can activate whatsit 50 by himself and the deal is made between heads of state. Will have to go through Parliament at some point but god knows what will happen if MPs block it because they didn't like the verdict But a lot of the leavers argued for stronger parliamentary democracy. Serious question. Does a manifesto commitment by someone who wins a general election trump the referendum in terms of democratic legitimacy? I'm not suggesting for a minute we should go back on the result, but I am suggesting that there are several scenarios, including under a Johnson premiership, that we might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Negotiate exit agreement. Offer a new referendum based on "Out on these specific terms" or "remain". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Rally on the markets today, factoring in Brexit or dead cat bounce? Language coming out of Europe is still get on with it, if the markets begin to stabilise these calls may get stronger before the markets dip once article 50 is enacted. The instability doesn't suit anyone and sooner or later something has to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Negotiate exit agreement. Offer a new referendum based on "Out on these specific terms" or "remain". Exit deal only governs the exit from the EU, not future trade. They are not agreeing to preliminary talks prior to Article 50 being invoked. Once it is, there is no more 'remain' to vote on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Exit deal only governs the exit from the EU, not future trade. They are not agreeing to preliminary talks prior to Article 50 being invoked. Once it is, there is no more 'remain' to vote on. Me thinks that you have missed his point! O4U was recommending negotiations without an end-like OAFC looking for a manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizzell54 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Undecideds plus remainers far outnumber leavers. Undecideds plus leavers far outnumber remainers. By even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Undecideds plus leavers far outnumber remainers. By even more. True enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Me thinks that you have missed his point! O4U was recommending negotiations without an end-like OAFC looking for a manager I was speculating wildly. It's the done thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 No shortage of people who feel like it's okay to behave like this going around now: https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153852069876939/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Brains of Britain there, wanting a person to exit a moving tram. I'm not one to condone violence and at 07:40 before a Tuesday at work one of the last things you want to do is scrote swatting but there were some hefty fellas on that tram, all it would have taken is one of them to step up and others would have followed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 But a lot of the leavers argued for stronger parliamentary democracy. Serious question. Does a manifesto commitment by someone who wins a general election trump the referendum in terms of democratic legitimacy? I'm not suggesting for a minute we should go back on the result, but I am suggesting that there are several scenarios, including under a Johnson premiership, that we might. This, for me, relates to one of the biggest (of many) loads of bollocks that was spouted during the campaigning - that it was a "once in a lifetime" decision, there would be "no going back". What if someone forms a party now, or in the future, that's the polar opposite of UKIP in that they want us back in? Or Labour/Conservative make it the main policy in a future manifesto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 No shortage of people who feel like it's okay to behave like this going around now: https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153852069876939/ Eh? There was a shortage of such people before the referendum and there still is now. Which is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 This, for me, relates to one of the biggest (of many) loads of bollocks that was spouted during the campaigning - that it was a "once in a lifetime" decision, there would be "no going back". What if someone forms a party now, or in the future, that's the polar opposite of UKIP in that they want us back in? Or Labour/Conservative make it the main policy in a future manifesto? To be fair, as a better-informed-than-many voter, I hadn't thought of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Fundamental principle of British parliamentary sovereignty, innit? No parliament can pass laws that future parliaments cannot change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Eh? There was a shortage of such people before the referendum and there still is now. Which is good. Not following you at all. I'm just saying that there seems to be an increased confidence amongst the bigots currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Not following you at all. I'm just saying that there seems to be an increased confidence amongst the bigots currently. I disagree. I think they're being given a platform more now. This does help the remain camps argument that out country has overnight become a racist hell hole. He was a c*** before the referendum. Will have mouthed off publicly like that before the referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Can't we condemn arseholes? We can't know all the motives but I guess if someone had asked them to stop swearing they'd have got similar but with a couple of words altered to suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 This, for me, relates to one of the biggest (of many) loads of bollocks that was spouted during the campaigning - that it was a "once in a lifetime" decision, there would be "no going back". What if someone forms a party now, or in the future, that's the polar opposite of UKIP in that they want us back in? Or Labour/Conservative make it the main policy in a future manifesto? That's what the Lib Dems intend to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyldelatic Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There is a suggestion by a senior Conservative MP that once UK obtains an agreement with EU over sigle market etc, the governemnt should either hold another referendum or call a general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There is a suggestion by a senior Conservative MP that once UK obtains an agreement with EU over sigle market etc, the governemnt should either hold another referendum or call a general election.This one http://viz.co.uk/roger-mellie-interviews-jeremy-hunt/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Me thinks that you have missed his point! O4U was recommending negotiations without an end-like OAFC looking for a manager Fair enough, article 50 hasn't yet been invoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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