Dave_Og Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Not worth the hassle and probably not good enough. What hassle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I think the club should be trying to help, let him in to train. He would have got a contract but for the allegations.Would he? Given the mass clear out over the summer and his lack of appearances prior to that I doubt it. I don't have a problem if the club decides to take him back, after all Shez did give him a couple of starts, but to say he would have gotten a contract without the allegations is stretching it a bit. Fully agree with Fruitygoo's comments about anonymity for the accused too. I've come across some people in my job accused of similar and worse crimes, they haven't had their names splashed all over the papers despite it being arguably more in the public's interests to do so. Anonymity for all would solve that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I think you can work out were there may be some issues, in the Mail article he's had a knock back from a non league team because of the club's community values and he's going to struggle to make a living out of the game as he's not an established player and it's going to be difficult for him to prove himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) I think you can work out were there may be some issues, in the Mail article he's had a knock back from a non league team because of the club's community values and he's going to struggle to make a living out of the game as he's not an established player and it's going to be difficult for him to prove himself. I have no idea if he is good enough but for a club that tried to sign a convicted rapist and did sign a convicted killer it would be a strange place to draw the line on the basis of potential hassle. Edited March 19, 2017 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Not worth the hassle and probably not good enough. Might not be good enough but he's not done anything wrong so no hassle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nohairdontcare Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 If he was or could be good enough I'm certain we would be in for him - as we'd be doubtlessly getting him on the cheap. I feel sorry for the lad - no doubt this whole thing disrupted his career. I'd like to see him get back on track, with us or elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Might not be good enough but he's not done anything wrong so no hassleAre we going over all this again? There is a whole world of possibilities in between, "not guilty," and, "perhaps not the sort of person it would be good for us to employ." You do know that companies can sack people who aren't criminals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Are we going over all this again? There is a whole world of possibilities in between, "not guilty," and, "perhaps not the sort of person it would be good for us to employ." You do know that companies can sack people who aren't criminals? Ye if they've done something wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ33 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Would he? Given the mass clear out over the summer and his lack of appearances prior to that I doubt it. I don't have a problem if the club decides to take him back, after all Shez did give him a couple of starts, but to say he would have gotten a contract without the allegations is stretching it a bit. Fully agree with Fruitygoo's comments about anonymity for the accused too. I've come across some people in my job accused of similar and worse crimes, they haven't had their names splashed all over the papers despite it being arguably more in the public's interests to do so. Anonymity for all would solve that issue. i obviously dont know for sure if he would have got a contract but he was captain of our youth team and had made his debut based on talent rather than injuries. Danny byrne got a contract despite never getting anywhere near the bench. He would appear to be in a great position, then outside influences hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Ye if they've done something wrong He did nothing wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 He did nothing wrong? Jury said innocent unless I'm mistaken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 At the end of the day although he's avoided prosecution he cracked on with a 14 year old, I appreciate it was probably down to bad judgement but the fact remains he got himself involved in something that will probably put an end to the football career he had plans for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Jury said innocent unless I'm mistakenWhen you are going into a school on company business it's generally safer to adopt a, "no blowjobs," policy with the people you meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 At the end of the day although he's avoided prosecution he cracked on with a 14 year old, I appreciate it was probably down to bad judgement but the fact remains he got himself involved in something that will probably put an end to the football career he had plans for. He didn't avoid prosecution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break The Silence Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I work within the criminal justice system and have done for nearly 20 years. The system isn't perfect but it's all we've got. There are no grey areas here. The lad was found not guilty by a jury of his peers, at crown court. He is innocent. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamoafc Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 He's legally innocent but I wouldn't say he's morally innocent. Wouldn't take him back on the basis that he's probably not better than what we have already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 He's legally innocent but I wouldn't say he's morally innocent. Can't be locked up for your morals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 A club that was willing to signed a convicted rapist can't take a moral stance against signing a lad who was found not guilty. It's not for the club to question the verdict in making a decision on whether to re-sign him - that should be based entirely on whether they think he's good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Get him in. Good player with a point to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 A club that was willing to signed a convicted rapist can't take a moral stance against signing a lad who was found not guilty. It's not for the club to question the verdict in making a decision on whether to re-sign him - that should be based entirely on whether they think he's good enough. Bit harsh to keep beating the convicted rapist drum, by whatever means the right decision on that was made, they apologised and we've avoided murkier areas since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Bit harsh to keep beating the convicted rapist drum, by whatever means the right decision on that was made, they apologised and we've avoided murkier areas since. I think it's relevant context to the notion of not signing Tuohy on the basis of the situation with this girl. And who apologised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I think it's relevant context to the notion of not signing Tuohy on the basis of the situation with this girl. And who apologised? Might be wrong but I think there was an acknowledgement that it was a poor period. Montano and Tuohy behaviour was at best unprofessional, I've no issue with the decisions made to end our involvement with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Tuohy whenever I watched him always looked very average. If he was that good clubs from the championship would have took a punt on him by now surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Tuohy whenever I watched him always looked very average. If he was that good clubs from the championship would have took a punt on him by now surely. Not sure about that logic. With the baggage and little proven experience, surely it'd be an endorsement of his potential to play at a higher level if a League 1 club took a punt on him... If a Championship club took him on you'd have to think he'd be destined for the Premier League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Not sure about that logic. With the baggage and little proven experience, surely it'd be an endorsement of his potential to play at a higher level if a League 1 club took a punt on him... If a Championship club took him on you'd have to think he'd be destined for the Premier League. Championship regularly take on trialist even players nowhere near good enough. Club that I have worked for in the championship took a 31 year old on trial from Luton that got released in the summer. He wouldn't have even made the reserves. Agents have a big influence on certain managers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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