deyres42 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I thought the same when he mentioned needing another centre back. Don't think there's much wrong with how we've been playing of late, we just badly need an attacking midfielder to be in form. The play up to the strikers doesn't seem to go through anybody at the moment. Would need Reckord back as Dunne more of a defender for me, maybe drop Mckay deeper with Erwin and Lapado the front two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 Would need Reckord back as Dunne more of a defender for me, maybe drop Mckay deeper with Erwin and Lapado the front two. I'd welcome Reckord back - he played a half in the week apparently. Looked accomplished on the two occasions I saw him play. As for Mckay, dropping him deeper baffles me. The lad is a poacher desperate for the confidence boost of a goal. Either drop him to the bench or keep him up front. I'd rather we play a Banks/Winchester type specialist attacking midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Is 14th to 18th the new 15th to 19th? I'm an optimist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I would say this team of players is better overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Same :censored: different season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 The strikers haven't been scoring but they haven't had that many clear cut chances. Hit the woodwork a lot. If they took every one of the half chances they've had they'd be worth 20 million Now that really is speculation dressed up as fact. Btw they wouldnt be worth a penny to us apart from the Staly lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Same :censored: different season with lower crowds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Really? I'd say comparing the defence at this point last year with this one pretty much ends the debate. Cornell/Coleman v Ripley Dieng/Brown/B Wilson v Dummigan J Wilson v Clarke Burn v Burgess Mills v Reckord/Dunne Not many of those head to heads are won by the class of 2015 and conceding stupid goals early was a big cause of our problems pre Shez/Gerrard. We are 7 games in... Under Kelly in 1st 5 games we barely conceded and were unbeaten. Then the usual armchair managers started to dictate on GMR phone ins and Railway Pub forums that we go with 2 upfront and stop being so defensive. The defence proceeded to become a shambles. I will do player for player comparisons when enough games has been played but right now, really? Yes, it is debatable. Even if you yourself have made up your own mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 From his two-year deal you'd expect Banks to be ahead of both in the pecking order. Mclaughlin won't have put himself nearer to the strongest XI after his cameos so far What I do expect is to see one of Law and Dummigan make a starting appearance at least once in midfield SC said on radio he once played Dummigan in midfield for NI u21s and it was a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 We are 7 games in... Under Kelly in 1st 5 games we barely conceded and were unbeaten. Then the usual armchair managers started to dictate on GMR phone ins and Railway Pub forums that we go with 2 upfront and stop being so defensive. The defence proceeded to become a shambles. I will do player for player comparisons when enough games has been played but right now, really? Yes, it is debatable. Even if you yourself have made up your own mind. You keep trying to convince us that we would have been fine if Kelly had been left in charge, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) We are 7 games in... Under Kelly in 1st 5 games we barely conceded and were unbeaten. Then the usual armchair managers started to dictate on GMR phone ins and Railway Pub forums that we go with 2 upfront and stop being so defensive. The defence proceeded to become a shambles. I will do player for player comparisons when enough games has been played but right now, really? Yes, it is debatable. Even if you yourself have made up your own mind. Made up my mind? Amazing how many mind readers there are on this forum of late. Anyway, hypothetical game regarding the players... would you swap Ripley, Dummigan and Clarke for their September 2015 counterparts? Also lets compare the manager, Robinson vs Kelly... same game, would you swap back to Kelly? Personally I wouldn't swap any I've just mentioned for last season's players, nor the manager. So for me, as it stands, the squad and manager position we're in now is better than this stage last year. Edited September 16, 2016 by nzlatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Now that really is speculation dressed up as fact. Btw they wouldnt be worth a penny to us apart from the Staly lad I'd say if a striker scored every single chance and half chance he got he'd definitely be worth 20 million. More in fact. How about you try having a full week off without any negative comments on here about the board or team or any other aspect of the club. Bet you couldn't do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) Made up my mind? Amazing how many mind readers there are on this forum of late. Anyway, hypothetical game regarding the players... would you swap Ripley, Dummigan and Clarke for their September 2015 counterparts? Also lets compare the manager, Robinson vs Kelly... same game, would you swap back to Kelly? Personally I wouldn't swap any I've just mentioned for last season's players, nor the manager. So for me, as it stands, the squad and manager position we're in now is better than this stage last year. So you haven't made your mind up then? I said it was debateable if this team was better or not. Your response was "really?" which is suggests you've made your mind up that it is. And a round of applause for pointing out the defence is better than 12mths ago. The question is team. Defence is 1/3 of it. Like I said...it is debateable that it is better but time will tell. Regarding managers...it's a stupid question as the playing field was completely different for Kelly. He could only dream of the support Robinson has had. People say Kelly had no plan but ironically, his plan was the same as Robinsons. Stifle the game. Play narrow. Only it surrounded Cassidy (hindsight on how he turned out is wonderful) who got injured in game 1 and the plan went out of the window. And then the armchair managers cried "2 upfront! 2 upfront!" to which the defence unravelled. A bit like when Robinson did the same against Carlisle. If Erwin gets injured, Robinsons plan will be in big trouble as I don't see the others filling his role. I'm not taken in by the spin about new managers. They state with a clean slate and either impress or dissatisfy. I didn't get anywhere near close to the levels of despair at Kelly that others did and haven't got anywhere near close to the levels of joy at Robinson that others currently have. People say Robinson has a plan...well it isn't working much. And when it doesn't he then rolls out Croft to change things. The jury is out and will be for a while. As yet, the results, the "entertainment" value and pretty much everything suggests little different to last season on the cards. The players could gel and become a well oiled unit. Or they could be young kids, ex-SPL rejects, loanees who trot through a season of winless runs, punctuated with the odd win here and there. Nobody knows yet. So it is debatable. But again...this talk is premature and should happened after 10-15 games. Edited September 16, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Made up my mind? Amazing how many mind readers there are on this forum of late. Anyway, hypothetical game regarding the players... would you swap Ripley, Dummigan and Clarke for their September 2015 counterparts? Also lets compare the manager, Robinson vs Kelly... same game, would you swap back to Kelly? Personally I wouldn't swap any I've just mentioned for last season's players, nor the manager. So for me, as it stands, the squad and manager position we're in now is better than this stage last year. ...there's an invite for more sectarianism. Setting that aside, i agree. I think we have a better squad that this time last year, but we would be better with a Palmer and a Holloway. i thought both of them, and Gerrard, were brilliant, and i think we miss what they brought to the table (less so Gerrard because of Clarke, though i'd still like to see Gerrrd in the squad). Come on, though, it is still very early days and the manager does seem to have much more of an idea of what's needed. Right now, it's still about being organised, getting the shape right, building the team spirit and developing an understanding between players. It is coming along, but we still might need a playmaker and goalscorer. MIGHT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Regarding managers...it's a stupid question as the playing field was completely different for Kelly. He could only dream of the support Robinson has had. You ever thought their might be damn good reason for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) You ever thought their might be damn good reason for that? Look, I'm not getting into this. The club said one thing, Kelly said another. I don't believe there are any good reasons (other than maybe criminal activity) for hiring the future manager (Dunn, as a player sat in waiting) before even a ball has been kicked. No amount of discussion will ever change my mind on that. Edited September 16, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 SC said on radio he once played Dummigan in midfield for NI u21s and it was a disaster. If not, then Law has played there before at Motherwell I think I've read somewhere. Even so, the fact he's tried Dummigan there a few times before shows he's thought about it. Anyway, come on, BP, we're all more qualified to pick where Dummigan can and can't play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Look, I'm not getting into this. The club said one thing, Kelly said another. I don't believe there are any good reasons (other than maybe criminal activity) for hiring the future manager (Dunn) as a player sat in waiting before even a ball has been kicked. No amount of discussion will ever change my mind on that. You are ofcourse right about drafting in Dunn it still doesn't mean Kelly should have been given anymore support or time than he was it was clear to all and sundry very quickly that he was way out of his depth, we were only going one way with him at the helm. Robinson while its still early doors has been given the backing of fans and rightly so. I don't think we can have a 1 size fits all basis for giving managers time I think some deserve more time than others, Robinson is one who is being given leeway as we can atleast see the job he is trying to do. The decision to appoint Kelly was where we went wrong the decision to get rid was ultimately the right one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) You are ofcourse right about drafting in Dunn it still doesn't mean Kelly should have been given anymore support or time than he was it was clear to all and sundry very quickly that he was way out of his depth, we were only going one way with him at the helm. Robinson while its still early doors has been given the backing of fans and rightly so. I don't think we can have a 1 size fits all basis for giving managers time I think some deserve more time than others, Robinson is one who is being given leeway as we can atleast see the job he is trying to do. The decision to appoint Kelly was where we went wrong the decision to get rid was ultimately the right one. We won't agree. I don't think any manager would do any better than Kelly did (first 5 games unbeaten let's not forget!) under the shafting circumstances he had to operate under. Let's leave it there. We'll be here all day and night otherwise. Edited September 16, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 We won't agree. I don't think any manager would do any better than Kelly did (first 5 games unbeaten let's not forget!) under the shafting circumstances he had to operate under. Let's leave it there. We'll be here all day and night otherwise. Fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I'd say if a striker scored every single chance and half chance he got he'd definitely be worth 20 million. More in fact. Not to us How about you try having a full week off without any negative comments on here about the board or team or any other aspect of the club. Bet you couldn't do it... How much will you bet? In fact you are much more negative than I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 SC said on radio he once played Dummigan in midfield for NI u21s and it was a disaster. What's the manager called BP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 How much will you bet? In fact you are much more negative than I am I'm only negative about those who are negative. 20 quid to playershare. One negative post on here you pay up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 What's the manager called BP? That's probably why Robinson hasn't replied to any of his letters, he keeps addressing them to corney....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 If not, then Law has played there before at Motherwell I think I've read somewhere. Even so, the fact he's tried Dummigan there a few times before shows he's thought about it. Anyway, come on, BP, we're all more qualified to pick where Dummigan can and can't play... Thought Dummigan was considerably worse when we played him in midfield last year. Can't see Law being an effective midfielder, really. Don't think having them both in the same XI is the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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