losesome Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 A lot of our problems are basic positional errors that the manager can't seem to sort out. At corners for instance , either for or against we never have anybody in the D on the edge of the box , when Dale had corners the defensive headers dropped in the zone and they had 2 or 3 players lined up to have a pop . At the other end when we had a corner Dale also have players in that position to clear up and start a break. Same when we are attacking , long clearance from the goalie out wide left to Erwin , he wins header and puts it in the only place he can , back inside towards the edge of their box but our midfield players are 30 yards behind and just crossing the halfway line. It true what Eyres said on GMR , we are constantly under pressure and chasing the ball because of poor positional play. Against Scunny we played much higher up the pitch with midfielders breaking into their box and we know how that worked out. We play 2 holding midfielders which creates a huge gap between them and the front 2 which then brings them back into our half looking for the ball. Dales goal came about because Erwin lost the ball in OUR half when he shouldn't be there. It seems that Robinson is the only one that cant see it and he is just drifting into a situation where his job will eventually come under pressure. Can't see why we can't go about our games in the same manner as the Scunny game, yes we will lose some but we will win more than currently and it will be far better entertainment than currently being dished up. Come on Robinson sort it out , the players are good enough to compete at this level - ARE YOU !!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 the players are good enough to compete at this level - ARE YOU !!!!!!!!!!! I switch between believing they're good enough and not. First half our inability to pass a ball swayed me heavily to think we're not up to it. If Green continues in this form we certainly aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 A lot of our problems are basic positional errors that the manager can't seem to sort out. At corners for instance , either for or against we never have anybody in the D on the edge of the box , when Dale had corners the defensive headers dropped in the zone and they had 2 or 3 players lined up to have a pop . At the other end when we had a corner Dale also have players in that position to clear up and start a break. Same when we are attacking , long clearance from the goalie out wide left to Erwin , he wins header and puts it in the only place he can , back inside towards the edge of their box but our midfield players are 30 yards behind and just crossing the halfway line. It true what Eyres said on GMR , we are constantly under pressure and chasing the ball because of poor positional play. Against Scunny we played much higher up the pitch with midfielders breaking into their box and we know how that worked out. We play 2 holding midfielders which creates a huge gap between them and the front 2 which then brings them back into our half looking for the ball. Dales goal came about because Erwin lost the ball in OUR half when he shouldn't be there. It seems that Robinson is the only one that cant see it and he is just drifting into a situation where his job will eventually come under pressure. Can't see why we can't go about our games in the same manner as the Scunny game, yes we will lose some but we will win more than currently and it will be far better entertainment than currently being dished up. Come on Robinson sort it out , the players are good enough to compete at this level - ARE YOU !!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, I noticed that too on Saturday and in several other games. I think with regard to our midfifeld, we don't have anyone in there with engine to get up and down the pitch quickly on a consistent basis. We never seem to get significant numbers in the penalty box apart from at set pieces. I assume that is why Steve Eyre advocates playing another man in there to get more control of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) I switch between believing they're good enough and not. First half our inability to pass a ball swayed me heavily to think we're not up to it. If Green continues in this form we certainly aren't. Part of the problem is Green is doing too much, Fane is a very weak link and everytime he gets the balls the first thing he does is turn back towards our own goal , he is always on the wrong side of his man and Green is forever trying to cover a lot of ground. Drop Fane and have Green as the sole defensive holding player , take a lot of pressure of the back line by putting more men forward in the midfield area and you will see a different Green. Green should be winning the ball and playing it forward to somebody like Flynn , at the moment he is trying to do both. Edited October 31, 2016 by losesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I've gotten to the point where I glaze over when people start analysing how our tactics could be improved. I can't help feeling we haven't got the personnel to stay up this time, regardless of which ones play and where you put them. Coupled with the new transfer rules, I think we're :censored:ed this season, as far as staying in League One is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 You can't make a silk purse out of pigs ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Part of the problem is Green is doing too much, Fane is a very weak link and everytime he gets the balls the first thing he does is turn back towards our own goal , he is always on the wrong side of his man and Green is forever trying to cover a lot of ground. Drop Fane and have Green as the sole defensive holding player , take a lot of pressure of the back line by putting more men forward in the midfield area and you will see a different Green. Green should be winning the ball and playing it forward to somebody like Flynn , at the moment he is trying to do both. I've defended Green over the last few weeks despite some poor performances and the tide turning against him. He's played at Championship level for the previous 9 season, he can obviously pass a ball, and he started the season off very well, having run the show in a few games. The only explanation is tiredness from having to constantly cover for Fane, who like you say is never right side of his man and can't advance beyond the half way line through his lack of ball control. You're absolutely right that Fane must be dropped, but if Green is fatigued I can't imagine Robinson will want him as the only holding midfielder, especially as I can't think of a player we have to cover that position. Although, the fact that Robinson has stated on a number of occasions that he never intended for Fane to start games regularly suggests he had some sort of plan which didn't include the lad. Wouldn't mind him dusting that off asap... Personally I'd stick Banks in there with Green. While he might not have the engine he's definitely got composure on the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I've defended Green over the last few weeks despite some poor performances and the tide turning against him. He's played at Championship level for the previous 9 season, he can obviously pass a ball, and he started the season off very well, having run the show in a few games. The only explanation is tiredness from having to constantly cover for Fane, who like you say is never right side of his man and can't advance beyond the half way line through his lack of ball control. You're absolutely right that Fane must be dropped, but if Green is fatigued I can't imagine Robinson will want him as the only holding midfielder, especially as I can't think of a player we have to cover that position. Although, the fact that Robinson has stated on a number of occasions that he never intended for Fane to start games regularly suggests he had some sort of plan which didn't include the lad. Wouldn't mind him dusting that off asap... Personally I'd stick Banks in there with Green. While he might not have the engine he's definitely got composure on the ball. Stick banks in alongside green and fane and play flynn off erwin. Having banks alongside green will still see us over over run in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Do we actually have any players who can kick it with their left foot? We were totally one dimensional down that wing on Saturday and look unbalanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigsby Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) couple of observations, reckford and fane are useless. over and out. ps the blame for this mess lies firmly and squarely at the feet of one man,and it isn't the manager. Edited October 31, 2016 by rigsby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Stick banks in alongside green and fane and play flynn off erwin. Having banks alongside green will still see us over over run in midfield. Perhaps. Although what sort of width and pace would we have? McLaughlin would be the only player offering anything in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Another thing I noticed against Dale is that Green seemed to be leading our charge out from corners when we are defending. Surely it should have been one of Ladapo, Erwin or McLaughlin? It's bad enough leaving no one up but having a 33 year old lead the charge forward when there is a potential quick break on isnt the best idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 couple of observations, reckford and fane are useless. over and out. ps the blame for this mess lies firmly and squarely at the feet of one man,and it isn't the manager. The self righteous brothers will get you for this one. There's only f and it's in his first name - :censored:ing Reckord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigsby Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 The self righteous brothers will get you for this one. There's only f and it's in his first name - :censored:ing Reckord Either way he's gash, who the hell scouted him? Helen Keller???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Calvin Andrew has been charged with violent conduct for something which happened in the 77th minute in their game against us Anybody...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Calvin Andrew has been charged with violent conduct for something which happened in the 77th minute in their game against us Anybody...? No idea. Says caught on video and 3 matches insufficient so must be bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) We had a player go down in our penalty area about then. Received treatment. Game restarted with a drop ball. Edited November 2, 2016 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) We had a player go down in our penalty area about then. Received treatment. Game restarted with a drop ball. Clarke was saying very loudly to the bench that he had been elbowed as a corner came across. Mate in the Sandy Lane said he hadnt seen anything. Edited November 2, 2016 by ChaddySmoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 At the time , it looked to me like Clarke got an elbow in the face ( he was provoking him to be fair) but I'd have thought that would fall under the normal 3 match ban remit, so may be it was something else.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Andrew came across to Clarke in front of Latics fans at the end of the game. Clarke refused to shake hands with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 There was a very bad tackle which went unpublished when the ref stopped play for man down in the box, could it be that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I seem to remember a stamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamoafc Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Raped our defence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Headbutt wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Fair play to all involved, they really are pulling out all the stops to make this derby even remotely relevant and fierce. Reminds me of this archived thread: http://www.owtb.co.uk/index.php/topic/46280-rochdale-v-oldham-pound-for-pound-footballs-weirdest-least-important-derby/page-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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