rosa Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The stick Jay Sheridan must be getting in the youth team. "Get any Christmas presents Jay?" ":censored: off or I'll :censored:ing knock you out you :censored:ing :censored:" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetramfixer Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 .... " he likes to swear, but we don't care Johnny Johnny Sheridan! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 The fact Alan hardy the new owner of Notts county says he took the decision as they are a family club. He didn't even own the club when shez was sacked. Statements like that are what gets clubs in trouble when it comes to defamation cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 The fact Alan hardy the new owner of Notts county says he took the decision as they are a family club. He didn't even own the club when shez was sacked. Statements like that are what gets clubs in trouble when it comes to defamation cases. Assuming he was sacked for gross misconduct relating to that incident there's no defamation of any sort. Two witnesses contributing to the FA report that led to the touch line ban have stated what was said. The FA have published the report. Sheridan has apologised for his actions, which is admitting what happened. His employer considered it gross misconduct. It's a slam dunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Assuming he was sacked for gross misconduct relating to that incident there's no defamation of any sort. Two witnesses contributing to the FA report that led to the touch line ban have stated what was said. The FA have published the report. Sheridan has apologised for his actions, which is admitting what happened. His employer considered it gross misconduct. It's a slam dunk. That is exactly the point....there is no defamation cos it happened and was serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 That is exactly the point....there is no defamation cos it happened and was serious All I will say is wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 All I will say is wait and see. Hardy's statement won't do any damage to Sheridan's reputation, even if he's misrepresented the sacking slightly, so there's no case for a defamation action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 All I will say is wait and see. I do hope Shez doesn't waste energy on something like that. He's got a job to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wenger given four match ban for verbally abusing and pushing fourth official. I wonder whether they will release what Wenger said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wenger given four match ban for verbally abusing and pushing fourth official. I wonder whether they will release what Wenger said... I'd be surprised if they did. Double standards and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I'd be surprised if they did. Double standards and all that. Double standards my arse. Harshly treated was Arsene, but he does need to chill a bit at his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Double standards my arse. Harshly treated was Arsene, but he does need to chill a bit at his age. So I take it you think they will release what Wenger said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 So I take it you think they will release what Wenger said? If he had been brought up on the streets of Stretford perhaps they would have had to. 4 games=harshly treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 If he had been brought up on the streets of Stretford perhaps they would have had to. 4 games=harshly treated. Based against 5 matches for Shez, when you dont know what was said, they must have took that into account, so 4 matches would be right then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Based against 5 matches for Shez, when you dont know what was said, they must have took that into account, so 4 matches would be right then. Have you been drinking? Wenger was charged with verbally abusing PLUS pushing the 4th Official. Presumably and I am guessing here, Wenger got 2 matches for each offence. Verbally abusing probably includes such words as blind/ stupid/ incomptent/ myopic/ short-sighted etc. = 1 match Repeated offences and/or a foul mouthed rant probably doubles that to 2 matches. I dont really need the FA to tell me that Wenger swore but I would like to know if he swore 11 times or if his kids/ grandchildren didnt get xmas presents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Have you been drinking? Wenger was charged with verbally abusing PLUS pushing the 4th Official. Presumably and I am guessing here, Wenger got 2 matches for each offence. Verbally abusing probably includes such words as blind/ stupid/ incomptent/ myopic/ short-sighted etc. = 1 match Repeated offences and/or a foul mouthed rant probably doubles that to 2 matches. I dont really need the FA to tell me that Wenger swore but I would like to know if he swore 11 times or if his kids/ grandchildren didnt get xmas presents So what I dont get is how you come to the conclusion that Wenger was harshly treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 So what I dont get is how you come to the conclusion that Wenger was harshly treated. If you look at the charge of 'pushing the 4th official' then in terms of guilt, yes he did but in terms of aggression and force it rated as about 1.5 out of 10. I just find Wenger absolutely hilarious and as I think it was Danny Murphy pointed out last week it must be so entertaining watching Arsenal every week. They go from the sublime to the ridiculous and back again then have a break for half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Shez appealing his dismissal - which Notts haven't taken too kindly to: https://twitter.com/SimonPeach/status/841642032842067969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think he has a genuine case for unfair dismissal. If they were going to sack him for his swearing they would have done it before the 4th game of his suspension. The match report would have been available a few days after the incident so no reason to delay. The fact he was on a losing run and lost his last game is the clear reason why they sacked him. Notts might be paying up massively for this one. Especially with him on a long term deal there before he returned to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 It wouldn't be unfair dismissal, because he wasn't employed for two years, but adamoafc's logic seems to be the reasons that Shez is appealing: http://www.nottinghampost.com/notts-county-owner-alan-hardy-astonished-over-john-sheridan-appeal/story-30202469-detail/story.html "Press Association Sport was unable to get hold of Sheridan through current employers Oldham, but the LMA responded to Hardy's comments on Tuesday afternoon. A statement read: "It would be inappropriate for either party to comment in any detail on this matter publicly whilst there is potential legal action pending, save as to say, that our member disputes that the sole reason for his dismissal was gross misconduct. "Mr Sheridan was dismissed on 2 January 2017 following a 4-0 defeat and on the back of six straight defeats. Mr Sheridan's dismissal took place 23 days and five games after the incident at Wycombe and four matches into his five match touchline ban." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Think football is one of the 'niche' areas with regards to unfair dismissal due to the short nature of the manager role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think he has a genuine case for unfair dismissal. If they were going to sack him for his swearing they would have done it before the 4th game of his suspension. The match report would have been available a few days after the incident so no reason to delay. The fact he was on a losing run and lost his last game is the clear reason why they sacked him. Notts might be paying up massively for this one. Especially with him on a long term deal there before he returned to us. Agreed. He might get a nice pay out from that. Which ironically might be of benefit to us if it means he doesn't feel the need to start looking around for higher paid jobs again in the summer, having saved us from relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Agreed. He might get a nice pay out from that. Which ironically might be of benefit to us if it means he doesn't feel the need to start looking around for higher paid jobs again in the summer, having saved us from relegation. Also SC & Shez could have "negotiated2 a low salary and bonus for keeping us up. so when it comes to compensation, he can argue fairly large drop in salary. Then comes a bonus if he does save us. Simpler vierw though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 It wouldn't be unfair dismissal, because he wasn't employed for two years, but adamoafc's logic seems to be the reasons that Shez is appealing: http://www.nottinghampost.com/notts-county-owner-alan-hardy-astonished-over-john-sheridan-appeal/story-30202469-detail/story.html "Press Association Sport was unable to get hold of Sheridan through current employers Oldham, but the LMA responded to Hardy's comments on Tuesday afternoon. A statement read: "It would be inappropriate for either party to comment in any detail on this matter publicly whilst there is potential legal action pending, save as to say, that our member disputes that the sole reason for his dismissal was gross misconduct. "Mr Sheridan was dismissed on 2 January 2017 following a 4-0 defeat and on the back of six straight defeats. Mr Sheridan's dismissal took place 23 days and five games after the incident at Wycombe and four matches into his five match touchline ban." He was on a 3 year contract, does that make any difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 He was on a 3 year contract, does that make any difference?No, unfair dismissal is based on length of service, not length of contract. Might be to his detriment too as it puts a limit on compensation due to a short-term contract. Sheridan will have presumably saught legal advice before launching his claim. As Hopkins found out legal costs can be a minefield. It's not unusual for someone who wins legal cases with a payout to be out of pocket due to legal costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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