blueatheart Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Any candidate running in Oldham on a ticket of ownership change at latics would get my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 On 19 April 2017 at 0:39 PM, Stevie_J said: Corbyn hasn't got a hope because our media has so successfully stigmatised socialism. No socialists have done that themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Magister said: No socialists have done that themselves How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Derek Hatton. Ed Milliband , Michael Foot Militant tendency, Momentum 3 day weeks, political strikes, sending their children to private schools, suspending opponents, tolerance of anti semitism in the party............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Magister said: No socialists have done that themselves Did you miss a comma after the word no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 2 hours ago, disjointed said: How? By losing the argument for the last 30 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 On 19 April 2017 at 3:00 PM, ChaddySmoker said: The Daily Mail and The Sun will win again. It really is time that people stopped hiding behind this cosy coping strategy. If you really believe the press decide elections you are in fact saying that the electorate is incompetent and hoodwinked. Some electors are thick but the electorate is not thick. What makes you think the electorate are more likely to believe a Sun columnist than judge a politician's words and actions. To hide behind a bias accusation is the actions of an ostrich. read 24hoursfromtulsehill above. He too will claim a press bias but he nails the real issues. Blame the electorate for getting it wrong at your peril Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Tories hit 50% in one national poll today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 14 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Did you miss a comma after the word no? Magister, McDuff and kowenicki fail to see the irony in turkey's using quotes from Bernard Matthews when explaining why they should(nt) be expected to still vote for Christmas. Come up with something interesting lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: Magister, McDuff and kowenicki fail to see the irony in turkey's using quotes from Bernard Matthews when explaining why they should(nt) be expected to still vote for Christmas. Come up with something interesting lads. This turkey is still alive and prospering after 63 Christmas Days thanks. Stop blaming others. What you don't get is that the electorate DO get the socialist message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeykieran Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Still makes me laugh that people with the right the vote actually don't realise that their vote is specifically and only for their local MP. With this system it's utterly pointless talking party politics unless you are fortunate enough to live in a constituency where their is potential for swing. I don't. Tories have ruled here for a century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, monkeykieran said: Still makes me laugh that people with the right the vote actually don't realise that their vote is specifically and only for their local MP. With this system it's utterly pointless talking party politics unless you are fortunate enough to live in a constituency where their is potential for swing. I don't. Tories have ruled here for a century. Valid point, and for most people on here who live in Oldham it'll be McMahon and Abrahams who will retain their seats. At the last election, I had the choice of voting in Oldham or in Sheffield where I was a student and I had a chance to vote against Nick Clegg - the man who promised that I wouldn't pay £9000/year for uni. So I voted against Clegg (who won but with a slashed majority), where I felt my vote had more of an impact. The system probably needs changing, but that's another argument for another day. But... if people in safe constituencies like Oldham all vote for Labour because there's no potential for swing, then there never will be a change. Surely there's always a chance if the candidate is good enough? I'd rather my vote went to who I believed in rather than who is already in the seat. My main hope for this election is a high turnout. People have a lot to say about Brexit/Tories/Corbyn, so do something about it. If you can vote, register, do your research, and vote on June 8th. I'd never tell anyone who to vote for, but I'll always tell people to get out and vote. In such an uncertain, turbulent time where we're leaving the EU, it's so important to have your say. Edited April 23, 2017 by oafc-latics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Postal votes. So easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Even France has turned its back on Socialism. Just 6% of the vote for Hollande's mob. Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Even France has turned its back on Socialism. Just 6% of the vote for Hollande's mob. Good. 6% of Unite's membership was enough to get Len McCluskie elected last week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 UKIP headbanger I suppose some of you will have seen this over the weekend on the Internet she fits in rather nicely with the UKIP stereotype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: UKIP headbanger I suppose some of you will have seen this over the weekend on the Internet she fits in rather nicely with the UKIP stereotype. What are the right wing press thinking publishing such a stigmatisation?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Magister said: What are the right wing press thinking publishing such a stigmatisation?? And why does she want a guillotine? A French execution system what happened to good old fashioned British stocks and throwing rotten tomatoes. TYPICAL OF THE EU GRAVY TRAIN AND LEFT WING LOVELIES. I BLAME THE MUSLAMS FROM MUSLAMASTAN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Magister said: 6% of Unite's membership was enough to get Len McCluskie elected last week! Absolutely ridiculous. Edited April 23, 2017 by kowenicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The importance of voting in a nutshell. If only 12% of the electorate bother, then that sort of thing happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 12 hours ago, kowenicki said: Absolutely ridiculous. Lower percentages have led to full strikes previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 hour ago, blueatheart said: Lower percentages have led to full strikes previously. equally ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 On 20/04/2017 at 3:28 PM, Stevie_J said: I never have and never will vote Tory. But, I think what you're getting at is that currently all of the options look pretty dreadful. I like Corbyn, and I'm dreading the manner in which he'll be demonised by the press in the coming weeks, but he's backed (or not, as the case may be) by a party full of closet Tory career politicians, and as a result Labour as a party doesn't know what it is. As for the Lib Dems, as discussed above, I won't vote for someone who believes homosexuality is a sin and who does not have a default position of promoting equality, nor would I vote for any party that was openly up for the idea of going into coalition with the Tories. I completely agree with you. 100%. But it is now a matter of record that he doesn't believe it is a sin, and he won't go into coalition with any party. Of course, he was very slow off the mark with it. Then comes the questioin of trust. Of course, he may go back on it, but it would be suicide to do so after the Student Loans debacle. Also, they all go back on their word at some point. The Tories have done quite a few U Turns recently, and Corbyn prmoised not to mention Trident again...!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 We all make counter arguments to all colours of politicians. When a politician hears these arguments and changes his/ her position or action it is then denigrated as a U turn? Why are U turns always classed as a show of weakness and not a show of confidence and strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Magister said: We all make counter arguments to all colours of politicians. When a politician hears these arguments and changes his/ her position or action it is then denigrated as a U turn? Why are U turns always classed as a show of weakness and not a show of confidence and strength? Don't get me started on the poverty of the political debate in this country. We used to have Attlee versus Churchill. Now we've got Lynton Crosby versus Seamus Milne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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