frizzell54 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Just a couple of quotes on Democracy: "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." Sir Winston Churchill. "The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid." Art Spander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_lead Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) On 5/29/2017 at 11:02 AM, kowenicki said: Chaddy. As a socialist you will obviously watch tonight and think, whatever happens or is said, that Corbyn wins the debate. You are pre wired to think that. You can't be objective. But don't think that because you believe that everyone else does. The left really do struggle to grasp this simple idea that people can see things differently and they have no monopoly on being correct. I guess all extremists are like this Well I'd say JC clearly won that. TM looked like she was about to burst into tears at times it's no wonder that during this campaign she's been kept in a cage with a blanket over it. Hope that it wasn't anybody from on here giving her the one man standing ovation at the end ........ I guess all extremists are like this. Edited May 31, 2017 by joe_lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Confirmation bias abounds... obviously. These things are pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Is it fair to say labour activists are more likely to heckle than Tory activists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 25 minutes ago, joe_lead said: Well I'd say JC clearly won that. TM looked like she was about to burst into tears at times it's no wonder that during this campaign she's been kept in a cage with a blanket over it. Hope that it was none of you giving her a one man standing ovation at the end ........ I guess all extremists are like this. Personally and as someone who is undecided to a large extent I think Corbyn scored fairly well on domestic issues. Where he will lose this election is on foreign policy. I won't use the term terrorist sympathiser but he doesn't appear to be taking a firm enough stance on terrorism which will be unpopular with the electorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Can anyone tell me what the fuck is going on in this election? May clearly called it because a 20+ lead in the polls within a given window was the strategic trigger. It was an absolutely sensible plan, hatched long ago...probably about the time she became PM. How on earth has that gone tits up? Have people actually read the manifestos for a change? Surely the Lynton Crosby myth is over now. (He's lost more elections than he's won, and not even nearly met predictions and expectations in others...and yet still charges £2 million a pop for dogwhistles and sketchy manifestos.) Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn...never the most articulate politician and sometimes one of the dryest, deadest thinkers on the planet...is pulling up trees on none other than policies, some of which he personally disagrees with, such as Trident replacement. I said at the time he became leader that he had one chance only, and that was to stick to his guns no matter what. The Labour moderates are suddenly shitting themselves because he might break even in this election, which means that their non-participation is absolute suicide. They look like the ones who won't play and they'll never be forgiven for it. Seriously. I haven't been following it other than on here. The older I get, the less I know what's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 11 hours ago, blueatheart said: Is it fair to say labour activists are more likely to heckle than Tory activists? Too true mate. *extremists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 41 minutes ago, 24hoursfromtulsehill said: Can anyone tell me what the fuck is going on in this election? May clearly called it because a 20+ lead in the polls within a given window was the strategic trigger. It was an absolutely sensible plan, hatched long ago...probably about the time she became PM. How on earth has that gone tits up? Have people actually read the manifestos for a change? Surely the Lynton Crosby myth is over now. (He's lost more elections than he's won, and not even nearly met predictions and expectations in others...and yet still charges £2 million a pop for dogwhistles and sketchy manifestos.) Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn...never the most articulate politician and sometimes one of the dryest, deadest thinkers on the planet...is pulling up trees on none other than policies, some of which he personally disagrees with, such as Trident replacement. I said at the time he became leader that he had one chance only, and that was to stick to his guns no matter what. The Labour moderates are suddenly shitting themselves because he might break even in this election, which means that their non-participation is absolute suicide. They look like the ones who won't play and they'll never be forgiven for it. Seriously. I haven't been following it other than on here. The older I get, the less I know what's happening. It is quite simple. One candidate seems to be a decent human being. (86% vote on twitter that he won last nights non debate-mind u they are all lefties on twitter.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: It is quite simple. One candidate seems to be a decent human being. (86% vote on twitter that he won last nights non debate-mind u they are all lefties on twitter.) Mainly due to the right still trying to work out how their thumbs work. May's "no deal is better than a bad deal" mantra is both hilarious and terrifying. It should be applied to football manangement. Imagine if England lost 1-0 in the World Cup final. Post match interview between Lineker and Southgate Lineker : unlucky Gareth, you must have been desperate for a deflection or one going in off someone's backside in that goalmouth melee in the last minute. Southgate : oh no Gary, no goal is better than a bad goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: Mainly due to the right still trying to work out how their thumbs work. May's "no deal is better than a bad deal" mantra is both hilarious and terrifying. It should be applied to football manangement. Imagine if England lost 1-0 in the World Cup final. Post match interview between Lineker and Southgate Lineker : unlucky Gareth, you must have been desperate for a deflection or one going in off someone's backside in that goalmouth melee in the last minute. Southgate : oh no Gary, no goal is better than a bad goal. May's intercourse with Europe over Brexit thus far is potentially an argument for a new PM in itself. It is, as you say, terrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 26 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: Mainly due to the right still trying to work out how their thumbs work. May's "no deal is better than a bad deal" mantra is both hilarious and terrifying. It should be applied to football manangement. Imagine if England lost 1-0 in the World Cup final. Post match interview between Lineker and Southgate Lineker : unlucky Gareth, you must have been desperate for a deflection or one going in off someone's backside in that goalmouth melee in the last minute. Southgate : oh no Gary, no goal is better than a bad goal. Not really the same considering we would revert to WTO rules at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Can May even survive this total shambles of a campaign? The correct strategy for both candidates at the beginning was not to go on television or radio, or appear in public. That's only true for May now. Having said that, your shy Tories are still knocking about somewhere in the hidden level of polling data. That yougov poll showing only a four-point lead is deeply sketchy...if you're inclined to believe that opinion polls form opinion rather than reflect it. Getting the Tory vote out so the iffy leftie doesn't win just happens to be one of the central planks of the Crosby campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, 24hoursfromtulsehill said: Can May even survive this total shambles of a campaign? The correct strategy for both candidates at the beginning was not to go on television or radio, or appear in public. That's only true for May now. Having said that, your shy Tories are still knocking about somewhere in the hidden level of polling data. That yougov poll showing only a four-point lead is deeply sketchy...if you're inclined to believe that opinion polls form opinion rather than reflect it. Getting the Tory vote out so the iffy leftie doesn't win just happens to be one of the central planks of the Crosby campaign. None of the polls had the Tories getting a majority last time, did they? I don't think even they could believe how easily they breezed home. So, you're right, there'll be plenty of closet Tories unaccounted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 50 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: It is quite simple. One candidate seems to be a decent human being. (86% vote on twitter that he won last nights non debate-mind u they are all lefties on twitter.) Check out his car crash today ithis morning. Embarassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, Stevie_J said: None of the polls had the Tories getting a majority last time, did they? I don't think even they could believe how easily they breezed home. So, you're right, there'll be plenty of closet Tories unaccounted for. The Tories polled 37.8% with a lead of 6.6% at the last election. Even now they are are 43% with a lead of a minimum of 6% depending on the poll you read. A week is a long time in politics, eight days is even longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I think the Tories will win for the reason Stevie mentioned - but it'll be closer than May planned and less of a ringing endorsement. Still, even a much closer result wouldn't make enough of a difference for her to alter course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 56 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: Mainly due to the right still trying to work out how their thumbs work. May's "no deal is better than a bad deal" mantra is both hilarious and terrifying. It should be applied to football manangement. Imagine if England lost 1-0 in the World Cup final. Post match interview between Lineker and Southgate Lineker : unlucky Gareth, you must have been desperate for a deflection or one going in off someone's backside in that goalmouth melee in the last minute. Southgate : oh no Gary, no goal is better than a bad goal. Possibly the dumbest analogy of all time. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Crusoe said: I think the Tories will win for the reason Stevie mentioned - but it'll be closer than May planned and less of a ringing endorsement. Still, even a much closer result wouldn't make enough of a difference for her to alter course. I'm unsure now. The polls have been volatile in the extreme, which makes me think they're unreliable in all directions. Women are going for Corbyn big style, apparently. He's ahead on all sorts of domestic issues by loads with all groups of voters. How much that counts on polling day is another question. The polls were out in 2015...but the Tories didn't exactly win by miles...and governing with a majority in the teens was a grim struggle for them. The most hilarious thing would be for the whole thing to produce no change. I'm hoping this becomes the election of great humour...the biggest political joke of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: Possibly the dumbest analogy of all time. Well done. After your brainfarts of yesterday I think that you should layoff calling anybody dumb. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TheresaMayGIFs&src=tyah Edited May 30, 2017 by ChaddySmoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 41 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: After your brainfarts of yesterday I think that you should layoff calling anybody dumb. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TheresaMayGIFs&src=tyah YAY. Social media in left wing leaning shock... grow up pal. It was the same in Brexit, the same in the US with Trump and the same at the last general election. The left love a good derogatory photo or GIF don't they and a 'look at me' social media post. Its almost as if they never left the student union and got a proper job.... oh... hang on a minute. Imagine if Corbyn doesn't win having promised the earth in uncosted giveaways and capitulating on every belief he ever had for the manifesto... where do they go from there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 41 minutes ago, kowenicki said: YAY. Social media in left wing leaning shock... grow up pal. It was the same in Brexit, the same in the US with Trump and the same at the last general election. The left love a good derogatory photo or GIF don't they and a 'look at me' social media post. Its almost as if they never left the student union and got a proper job.... oh... hang on a minute. Imagine if Corbyn doesn't win having promised the earth in uncosted giveaways and capitulating on every belief he ever had for the manifesto... where do they go from there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 hours ago, kowenicki said: Possibly the dumbest analogy of all time. Well done. Thanks I'm touched* Hopefully if weak and wobbly wins she'll decide at some point whether you and the remainder of the Polish community can stay or not. Not that she really does caring about people. *not remotely arsed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 New ICM/Guardian Poll just published Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 18 hours ago, 24hoursfromtulsehill said: I'm unsure now. The polls have been volatile in the extreme, which makes me think they're unreliable in all directions. Women are going for Corbyn big style, apparently. He's ahead on all sorts of domestic issues by loads with all groups of voters. How much that counts on polling day is another question. The polls were out in 2015...but the Tories didn't exactly win by miles...and governing with a majority in the teens was a grim struggle for them. The most hilarious thing would be for the whole thing to produce no change. I'm hoping this becomes the election of great humour...the biggest political joke of all time. Latest Yougov poll now points to a hung parliament with the Tories 16 seats short of an overall majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said: Latest Yougov poll now points to a hung parliament with the Tories 16 seats short of an overall majority. Lynton in full project fear mode now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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