mcfluff1985 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 After 30 mins of this game, in my eyes, VAR will kill football. Stop start. Ref not trusting his own decision on anything. First Spurs goal should have stood so they still got it wrong. It's embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: After 30 mins of this game, in my eyes, VAR will kill football. Stop start. Ref not trusting his own decision on anything. First Spurs goal should have stood so they still got it wrong. It's embarrassing. Disallowing the scored penalty was the correct decision though - Son stopped for too long in his run up ? and that was without referral to VAR so kudos to the referee. Edited February 28, 2018 by TheBigDog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Robbie savage saying it's the most bizzare, entertaining, controversial first half he's seen... they have got to speed the decisions up, it's killing the flow of game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmarra Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Newsflash!!! VAR has been spotted on laptop in Regal Moon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Disallowing the scored penalty was the correct decision though - Son stopped for too long in his run up ? Correct but yet again the so called experts are not very knowledgeable-John Aldridge used to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: Correct but yet again the so called experts are not very knowledgeable-John Aldridge used to do it! The "expert" who should have known the law is the penalty taker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Disallowing the scored penalty was the correct decision though - Son stopped for too long in his run up ? About the only decision he's had the balls to make on his own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, mcfluff1985 said: About the only decision he's had the balls to make on his own He went to VAR after though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, mcfluff1985 said: About the only decision he's had the balls to make on his own If VAR is available then every goal and penalty incident must be reviewed - so he’s not really been allowed to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, TheBigDog said: If VAR is available then every goal and penalty incident must be reviewed - so he’s not really been allowed to do so. This is probably where VAR is getting it wrong right now perhaps going down a cricket route of each team only having 3 decisions they can review (maybe less in footballs case) Also most big stadiums have big screens surely you can us those (or any scoreboard for that matter) to communicate the decision. Stick with it just make it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBigDog said: Disallowing the scored penalty was the correct decision though - Son stopped for too long in his run up ? and that was without referral to VAR so kudos to the referee. Arguably encroachment happened first... so you could make a case for retaking the pen. So so if he had referred to VAR perhaps a retake would have been ordered. edit. Finally, someone (Chris Foy) mentions the encroachment. Edited February 28, 2018 by kowenicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 More laughable than latics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 It needs to be a challenge system like they have in tennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, Senor_Coconut said: It needs to be a challenge system like they have in tennis And cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nohairdontcare Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, ChaddySmoker said: Correct but yet again the so called experts are not very knowledgeable-John Aldridge used to do it! Aldo shuffled or shimmied - but wouldn’t stop. The lad tonight stopped. He mucked it up, basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nohairdontcare said: Aldo shuffled or shimmied - but wouldn’t stop. The lad tonight stopped. He mucked it up, basically. As did Andy Liddell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, Senor_Coconut said: It needs to be a challenge system like they have in tennis 19 minutes ago, BP1960 said: And cricket. Both of those sports deal in black and whites. Did it touch the line? Is it going to hit the stumps? etc Most of these decisions in football are so subjective, was the contact enough to be a foul etc I can’t see how it’ll work at all. Irrespective of challenge systems or any other way of doing it. Unless the decision in question is a simple and obvious yes/no (eg goal line tech) then it won’t work. And thats before even discussing how it effects the flow of the game. Cricket and tennis both have a dead ball then time where play is stopped after every rally/ball. Football can go minutes without a stoppage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 As usual I'm contrary and actually like it. There are teething troubles but these will be ironed out, does show how hard being a ref or lino actually is, they usually get most things right and if the technology is able to assist get more decisions right then I'm all for it. I don't even mind the delay, it needs the TV commentators to stop whinging and going on about the time it takes, sometimes the decision isn't clear cut even after multiple replays and I'd rather get correct decisions then not. Perhaps it would benefit from an 'Umpire's call' thing where even after several views of replays the VAR ref can't 100% guarantee the correct decisions it goes back to the decision the on pitch ref made? Maybe with a time limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 It’s needed imo, perfect example the goal lampard scores against Germany in the World Cup that was disallowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 They do seem to have jumped in with both feet in this though, rather than maybe a more gradual approach of starting with offsides/goals after the ball has been near going out of play, then move on to positions of fouls around the penalty area. Judging fouls and such seem a fair step forward from a standing start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I agree with DRS in cricket and the video umpiring in tennis as that is always stop-start, but it still kills momentum for team running games such as AFL and NRL here in oz. It will always be divisive if not decisive. I enjoy singing "the referee's a wanker". Video killed the referee slur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, latics22 said: It’s needed imo, perfect example the goal lampard scores against Germany in the World Cup that was disallowed Not a VAR decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 The genie is out of the bottle now so it is here to stay, biggest issue at the moment (and the easiest to resolve) is people in ground not knowing what is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: The genie is out of the bottle now so it is here to stay, biggest issue at the moment (and the easiest to resolve) is people in ground not knowing what is going on. The people in the ground know there is a football game going on. Stop the fannying around with all this new technology, and just let the ref make his decisions either rightly or wrongly, its part of the game and the discussions after. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Even if they're shown the replays on the tv in the ground and explained what has happened, half of the people watching still probably won't agree. How many video ref decisions in other sports are about something subjective? A matter of personal opinion? Even in rugby (league or union) what do they check for? Isn't it more often going to be foot in touch, forward pass or knock on? Straight forward decisions usually as long as there aren't 50 bodies obscuring the view. Even the offside law the way it is now would make a video call difficult as there's ambiguity over whether someone is interfering with play. I'd much rather focus on referee training, dealing with the cheating of players and abuse/back chat to refs on the pitch and by managers. Mike them up, punish disrespect etc, make their job a bit easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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