Lee Sinnott Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Would be absolutely staggered to see him come back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Shame this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcforever Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 What is it he's supposed to have done, as one of the 'in the know' people on twitter said it wasn't bullying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Lee Sinnott said: Would be absolutely staggered to see him come back... After such a long suspension, so would I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, Stevie_J said: After such a long suspension, so would I. Due diligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) The club have been a disgrace in allowing this to drag on. If it was a really serious issue he’d have been sacked. So I assume it’s more an allegation that has to go through the appropriate investigation procedures but this would happen as fast as the club want it to happen. As the manager of the club at the time Wellens should have been banging down the door of the owner to sort the problem out as TP’s wisdom towards the end of the season would have been invaluable. He’s a massive loss to the club and a long term servant who knows Oldham though and through! Maybe It also shows how important the youth system is to the new owner if he hasn’t Made resolving this problem a priority? We have been awful in nearly every area of the club for years but the one concistant positive has been the youth set up so why let it rumble on. Staggering!!! Rant over ha ha Edited June 11, 2018 by super_blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, super_blue said: The club have been a disgrace in allowing this to drag on. If it was a really serious issue he’d have been sacked. So I assume it’s more an allegation that has to go through the appropriate investigation procedures but this would happen as fast as the club want it to happen. As the manager of the club at the time Wellens should have been banging down the door of the owner to sort the problem out as TP’s wisdom towards the end of the season would have been invaluable. He’s a massive loss to the club and a long term servant who knows Oldham though and through! Maybe It also shows how important the youth system is to the new owner if he hasn’t Made resolving this problem a priority? We have been awful in nearly every area of the club for years but the one concistant positive has been the youth set up so why let it rumble on. Staggering!!! Rant over ha ha FA investigation Oldham suspended him as part of the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Personally i dont get this myth we have a brillant youth system. The only stand out for me been tarkowski. I know a few parents whose lads have left and gone else where by choice saying it is poor at Oldham, even Rochdale been mentioned as a better experiance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, OAFCinWolves said: Personally i dont get this myth we have a brillant youth system. The only stand out for me been tarkowski. I know a few parents whose lads have left and gone else where by choice saying it is poor at Oldham, even Rochdale been mentioned as a better experiance Our youth teams won a few cups relatively recently. There's the argument that none of the players released when on to make it elsewhere, but always thought that we should have kept hold of more of our youth squad who had that winning mentality to potentially carry it on to the first-team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLatics Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, OAFCinWolves said: Personally i dont get this myth we have a brillant youth system. The only stand out for me been tarkowski. I know a few parents whose lads have left and gone else where by choice saying it is poor at Oldham, even Rochdale been mentioned as a better experiance I don't think our youth development has been exaggerated. However, the club would have folded if we weren't able to produce at least one player every other year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 8 hours ago, super_blue said: The club have been a disgrace in allowing this to drag on. If it was a really serious issue he’d have been sacked. So I assume it’s more an allegation that has to go through the appropriate investigation procedures but this would happen as fast as the club want it to happen. As the manager of the club at the time Wellens should have been banging down the door of the owner to sort the problem out as TP’s wisdom towards the end of the season would have been invaluable. He’s a massive loss to the club and a long term servant who knows Oldham though and through! Maybe It also shows how important the youth system is to the new owner if he hasn’t Made resolving this problem a priority? We have been awful in nearly every area of the club for years but the one concistant positive has been the youth set up so why let it rumble on. Staggering!!! Rant over ha ha 2 months is quite a short amount of time for any internal processes into alleged bullying or other serious misconduct being completed. Only a very unwise employer would sack someone straight away over alleged bullying, or other misconduct no matter the seriousness of the offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Latics are only part of the process, the football authorities are all over any allegations from youth set ups (for obvious reasons). There's nothing the club can do at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Probably a disgruntled parent who doesn't like to hear that their son isn't the cash cow they had plans for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 4 hours ago, OAFCinWolves said: Personally i dont get this myth we have a brillant youth system. The only stand out for me been tarkowski. I know a few parents whose lads have left and gone else where by choice saying it is poor at Oldham, even Rochdale been mentioned as a better experiance Our 2 better players towards the end of the year came from our youth team. They don't have to be stand out after we have sold them, but Philiskirk does a good job of making players who end up at Hyde worth £200k plus to the club when theyre 16. If we had cashed in on Taylor and Eardley earlier, then we would have made a fortune on our youth in the last ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmarra Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 5 hours ago, OAFCinWolves said: Personally i dont get this myth we have a brillant youth system. The only stand out for me been tarkowski. I know a few parents whose lads have left and gone else where by choice saying it is poor at Oldham, even Rochdale been mentioned as a better experiance The major problem has been the transition from Youth to first team. With a plethora of managers most won't take a chance and suffer the inconsistencies of youth for fear of their jobs. Allied to that there has been a lack of funding available to help the transition work. Edmundson and Hamer only got into the first team at the end of the season through a desperate injury situation. We are seeing the first move in the dismantling of the youth system,Abdallahs background is as a trader of players not a developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, youngen said: Our 2 better players towards the end of the year came from our youth team. They don't have to be stand out after we have sold them, but Philiskirk does a good job of making players who end up at Hyde worth £200k plus to the club when theyre 16. If we had cashed in on Taylor and Eardley earlier, then we would have made a fortune on our youth in the last ten years. But isn't that just average? Don't most clubs at our level lose 1 to 2 younger players to bigger clubs for free or a token payment? There's nothing special happening for me and I don't hear amazing things just bang average. May be wrong but Eardley and Taylor were never subjected to bids of more than 500k hardley a fortune had we sold em wen some clubs have made upwards of 3mill for some of there prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, OAFCinWolves said: But isn't that just average? Don't most clubs at our level lose 1 to 2 younger players to bigger clubs for free or a token payment? There's nothing special happening for me and I don't hear amazing things just bang average. May be wrong but Eardley and Taylor were never subjected to bids of more than 500k hardley a fortune had we sold em wen some clubs have made upwards of 3mill for some of there prospects. Very difficult task with the category system I'd think, anyone showing promise at early age can be winkled out for buttons, can understand why some clubs have given it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Very difficult task with the category system I'd think, anyone showing promise at early age can be winkled out for buttons, can understand why some clubs have given it up. Agree, I think we're better going with the 'home of the unloved' strategy - picking up those discarded by the big local clubs and hoping we can uncover a diamond (or at least roll a turd in some glitter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Had a quick skim. Out of the last seven intakes of scholars (about 60 players, although I couldn't find a list for 2012) we've sold just one - Renshaw to Everton. In that time about a dozen or so earned permanent deals, but most were released the next summer. The only stayers are Stott and Edmundson, although Hamer looks bright. Edited June 12, 2018 by Crusoe Forgot about Edmundson. (And Dre.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanGrovesFanClub Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Crusoe said: Had a quick skim. Out of the last seven intakes of scholars (about 60 players, although I couldn't find a list for 2012) we've sold just one - Renshaw to Everton. In that time about a dozen or so earned permanent deals, but most were released the next summer. The only stayer is Stott, although Hamer looks bright. and Edmundson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Just now, AlanGrovesFanClub said: and Edmundson Of course, I should've remembered him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Crusoe said: Had a quick skim. Out of the last seven intakes of scholars (about 60 players, although I couldn't find a list for 2012) we've sold just one - Renshaw to Everton. In that time about a dozen or so earned permanent deals, but most were released the next summer. The only stayer is Stott, although Hamer looks bright. Interesting. I kept asking if the intake that were cup winners were released for monetary reasons, but assured they were not. Be interesting where the released have ended up. It really might be a case of not getting many decent prospects in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Trying to track them down would take a while. Most dropped to NPL or NWCL based on a quick glance. Not sure if any recent departures have made it back to the National League, let alone League. Luke Simpson played a few games but seems to be a free agent after leaving York City. Edited June 12, 2018 by Crusoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Probably a disgruntled parent who doesn't like to hear that their son isn't the cash cow they had plans for. Quite possibly but one lad flourished at another club after hating ours and is now being tracked by bigger clubs. Who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsworthlatic Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I think our youth system has been quite successful based on the competitors we are faced with in the local area. The better players at under 10’s-16’s get taken for very little by the likes of City and United. Other clubs do well with youth systems (not too many) and some are thinking that it’s a thankless task funding a youth setup such as Huddersfield and Brentford who have decided to scrap the academy idea altogether. The last 10 years, I thought I’d have a look to see if my argument was supported in any way. We have had the following youth products (including a couple that had been sold and returned to Latics) that have played league games for Oldham. Joel Coleman Jamie Stott Tom Hamer George Edmundson James Tarkowski Neal Eardley Kelvin Lomax Paul Black Glenn Belezika Neal Trotman Jack Truelove David Mellor Carl Winchester Mark Allott Deane Smalley Kirk Millar Jack Tuohy Kallum Mantack Danny Philliskirk Chris Taylor Matthew Wolfenden Tom Eaves Lewis Alessandra Ryan Brooke That’s a total of 24. I’d hazard a guess that not too many teams will have played 24 youth products in league games over the last 10 years or so. As you would expect, some were better than others, some were sold i.e Coleman, Tarkowski, Eaves. Others released. Some still playing for us now, others at other clubs (some within the football league) We have also had a couple prior to the last 10 years and within the 10 year period that were sold prior to playing a game, Scott Spencer and Chris Renshaw come to mind. As well as this, we have searched for young talent elsewhere, basically post academy graduates or non league: Darius Osei Rhys Turner Dale Stephens Matt Smith Those 4 spring to mind without looking deeper into it, two of those 4 were sold on. Safe to say I think it has been fairly successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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