Stevie_J Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, Clifford said: Back line of Hamer Emundson Gerrard Stott would a decent enough start with additions to come. Gerrard must be one of the highest earners at the club. If we could find someone to take him, I'd let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Stevie_J said: Gerrard must be one of the highest earners at the club. If we could find someone to take him, I'd let him go. He's a good leader and would be comfortably one of the best centre halves in that division. If we want to go back up we cannot let everyone go who is on decent money. Get rid of Clarke to keep Gerrard would seem a good deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, philliggi said: Maybe in 5 years but you need an experienced leader at the back Keeper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Clifford said: He's a good leader and would be comfortably one of the best centre halves in that division. If we want to go back up we cannot let everyone go who is on decent money. Get rid of Clarke to keep Gerrard would seem a good deal. He's a big, big player. Not just in terms of wage but in terms of waist line. He's clearly on the Lee Croft diet. It isn't the first time tubbs has gone this way, get rid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Clifford said: He's a good leader and would be comfortably one of the best centre halves in that division. If we want to go back up we cannot let everyone go who is on decent money. Get rid of Clarke to keep Gerrard would seem a good deal. He led us to relegation and we ended up with the most disjointed, heartless and disengaged group I've had the displeasure to see in my near on forty years watching us, he was part of a defence that shipped goals for fun and we had players like Byrne being allowed to gob off and dictate the mood of the team with his hissy fits all under Gerrards stewardship - doesn't come across as a good leader to me and easily replaceable, wouldn't be missed at all. Edited May 10, 2018 by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, yarddog73 said: He led us to relegation and we ended up with the most disjointed, heartless and disengaged group I've had the displeasure to see in my near on forty years watching us, he was part of a defence that shipped goals for fun and we had players like Byrne being allowed to gob off and dictate the mood of the team with his hissy fits all under Gerrards stewardship - doesn't come across as a good leader to me and easily replaceable, wouldn't be missed at all. I thought it was Wellens' fault? All very confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, deyres42 said: I thought it was Wellens' fault? All very confusing Can't see where I've blamed Wellens, there were many problems last season and getting in a proven leader to captain the team would be high on my list, someone who has the presence to pull the others in line and help the manager to implement a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 2 hours ago, blueatheart said: He's a big, big player. Not just in terms of wage but in terms of waist line. He's clearly on the Lee Croft diet. It isn't the first time tubbs has gone this way, get rid. 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: He led us to relegation and we ended up with the most disjointed, heartless and disengaged group I've had the displeasure to see in my near on forty years watching us, he was part of a defence that shipped goals for fun and we had players like Byrne being allowed to gob off and dictate the mood of the team with his hissy fits all under Gerrards stewardship - doesn't come across as a good leader to me and easily replaceable, wouldn't be missed at all. Cheers lads. Cheques are in the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, leeslover said: Cheers lads. Cheques are in the post What's your beef with the fella? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I'd rather keep Clarke out of the two. But really they both ought to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 7 hours ago, deyres42 said: What's your beef with the fella? I know I harp on about him, but a calm reply to your question is that he seems to have a huge opinion of himself that's incredibly far from the truth. Spending half of 2 seasons without a club waiting for a Championship club to come in and give him £10k a week or whatever- at 29 or so when he should be at his peak? And then it turns out he can't kick a ball 20 yards under pressure and can't run because he eats too much. I have reasons to think he's a bad character in other ways which I can't mention here but that will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 9 hours ago, leeslover said: I know I harp on about him, but a calm reply to your question is that he seems to have a huge opinion of himself that's incredibly far from the truth. Spending half of 2 seasons without a club waiting for a Championship club to come in and give him £10k a week or whatever- at 29 or so when he should be at his peak? And then it turns out he can't kick a ball 20 yards under pressure and can't run because he eats too much. I have reasons to think he's a bad character in other ways which I can't mention here but that will do. Would be interesting to know if this is something RW could be aware of, and if he is staying he sorts it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, singe said: Would be interesting to know if this is something RW could be aware of, and if he is staying he sorts it out. I don't think Wellens will be aware that AG shouted at a traffic warden once.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, jorvik_latic said: I don't think Wellens will be aware that AG shouted at a traffic warden once.... I thought LL said Ag was a bad character, not nornal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, singe said: I thought LL said Ag was a bad character, not nornal! Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardOafc Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 17 hours ago, PlayItLivo said: I'd rather keep Clarke out of the two. But really they both ought to go. I would keep Clarke out of the two also. Gerrard hasn’t looked fit since he’s been here, also he has the turning circle of a tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, RichardOafc said: I would keep Clarke out of the two also. Gerrard hasn’t looked fit since he’s been here, also he has the turning circle of a tank. Really good then seeing as though tanks can spin on the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astottie Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, jorvik_latic said: Really good then seeing as though tanks can spin on the spot. I thought he meant a septic tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 People want to keep Clarke who was so past his best we loaned him to a rival club? Bury dropped him didn't they? I dread to think what his legs will be like 12 months later. Gerrard's weight seems to grind people but we wouldn't get a centre half better IMO. Let's see how he goes after a full preseason. A goalie who doesn't chuck in most shots on goal would help the back line............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, Clifford said: People want to keep Clarke who was so past his best we loaned him to a rival club? Bury dropped him didn't they? I dread to think what his legs will be like 12 months later. Gerrard's weight seems to grind people but we wouldn't get a centre half better IMO. Let's see how he goes after a full preseason. A goalie who doesn't chuck in most shots on goal would help the back line............. He had a full pre-season last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 minute ago, blueatheart said: He had a full pre-season last season. And while not looking like Peter Crouch he wasn't in half as bad shape as he was when he came back from his injury Feb/March. It's ok looking like a hero playing centre half with a very good league 1 back line and Ripley saving all sorts but this season he has had a young centre half / midfielder next to him. A keeper who chucks most shots in the net and comes out quicker than Katie Price's milkers. Wilson and then the lad deemed so low down he was at AFC Fylde. Edmundson needs someone like Gerrard next to him next season. Clarke was not fit enough anymore to play in the side. Legs have gone, no amount of pre-season or slim fast will deny getting old. Not sure why people are obsessed with his weight as he was a far steadier performer than many of the shower of shite who played this season. His injuries for me were a key factor in us going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Clifford said: And while not looking like Peter Crouch he wasn't in half as bad shape as he was when he came back from his injury Feb/March. It's ok looking like a hero playing centre half with a very good league 1 back line and Ripley saving all sorts but this season he has had a young centre half / midfielder next to him. A keeper who chucks most shots in the net and comes out quicker than Katie Price's milkers. Wilson and then the lad deemed so low down he was at AFC Fylde. Edmundson needs someone like Gerrard next to him next season. Clarke was not fit enough anymore to play in the side. Legs have gone, no amount of pre-season or slim fast will deny getting old. Not sure why people are obsessed with his weight as he was a far steadier performer than many of the shower of shite who played this season. His injuries for me were a key factor in us going down. Gerrard needs Edmundson next to him not the other way round. Edmundson went to Fylde for experience and got it. When Clarke was playing alongside Bryan, we were winning matches, once Gerrard and Clarke were swapped, we still shipped in goals but lost a better captain's presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: Gerrard needs Edmundson next to him not the other way round. Edmundson went to Fylde for experience and got it. When Clarke was playing alongside Bryan, we were winning matches, once Gerrard and Clarke were swapped, we still shipped in goals but lost a better captain's presence. Why was Clarke dropped then? Because we were paying out too much in winning bonuses? We need to build a solid team. We can't keep pissing about and swapping players every season. Gerrard was dropped for being unfit and worked his way back in, as commented by Wellens himself. Clarke can't work hard against being too old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I'd be happy enough with both Clarke and Gerrard in the squad for next season, they'd be good players in League Two alongside one of the younger players. But I wouldn't play the two of them together and I suspect that neither would be happy on the bench regularly, so I expect one to leave. For the situation we're in I'd keep Clarke over Gerrard, Clarke might only have a year left playing and Gerrard a few more, but he seems to be much more of a professional and a very good captain and influence on the squad. With Hamer, Edmundson and Stott hopefully getting more game time next season I think Clarke would be the perfect player to guide them through games. I have no problem with Gerrard though and after watching the standard of League Two centre backs over the last few years I know that we could do a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Just now, Clifford said: Why was Clarke dropped then? Because we were paying out too much in winning bonuses? We need to build a solid team. We can't keep pissing about and swapping players every season. Gerrard was dropped for being unfit and worked his way back in, as commented by Wellens himself. Clarke can't work hard against being too old. I think he was dropped in expectation that we would continue winning and stop leaking goals.....which worked a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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