deyres42 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: A third of a season If only we’d sacked Royle when he took us from 7th in his first season to 19th in his second. We could have avoided the inconvenience of a League Cup final, 4 FA Cup semi final games and winning the second division in the last minute of the season and been where we are now years ago. Royle didn't have 20 years coaching experience behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: A third of a season If only we’d sacked Royle when he took us from 7th in his first season to 19th in his second. We could have avoided the inconvenience of a League Cup final, 4 FA Cup semi final games and winning the second division in the last minute of the season and been where we are now years ago. Good point. Let’s never sack a manager again until he gets it right. If he never does then so be it. (The contra is also true, we should have sacked a few managers sooner!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Good point. Let’s never sack a manager again until he gets it right. If he never does then so be it. (The contra is also true, we should have sacked a few managers sooner!) You almost got the point there for a change. A third of a season is not enough. I’d like to be pointed in the direction of a club that’s successful pursuing a policy of sacking managers every 16 games. Conversely there are loads of examples of clubs being successful with low managerial turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Good point. Let’s never sack a manager again until he gets it right. If he never does then so be it. (The contra is also true, we should have sacked a few managers sooner!) You almost got the point there for a change. A third of a season is not enough. I’d like to be pointed in the direction of a club that’s successful pursuing a policy of sacking managers every 16 games. Conversely there are loads of examples of clubs being successful with low managerial turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: You almost got the point there for a change. A third of a season is not enough. I’d like to be pointed in the direction of a club that’s successful pursuing a policy of sacking managers every 16 games. Conversely there are loads of examples of clubs being successful with low managerial turnover. If you have 5 managers in 20 years but they're all garbage you're not going to get anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanGrovesFanClub Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, doctor evil said: If you have 20 5 managers in 5 20 years but they're all garbage you're not going to get anywhere. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanGrovesFanClub Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) oops, duplicate post Edited November 5, 2018 by AlanGrovesFanClub duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 If you are sacking a manager after 16 games the error was in appointing him in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Last season as I said a few times we persevered with Wellens for far too long and got relegated. Think the general consensus was if he was binned with 5 or 6 games left, we probably would have got the points needed to have stayed up with the squad we had. Bunns record, particularly of late is utter crap and any other chairman in our position would have sacked him by now. Yes the club in general is a fucking mess at the moment, but we have to at least try to move forward. Yes we don't have the same level of player as last year, but the players we do have are better than 17th in League 2. And yes the players say they respect him etc, but it's just not visible on the pitch at the moment. I've seen us at Forest Green (who were the best of the bunch), Yeovil, Swindon, Northampton, and Stevenage, and the general performances, of both players and the manager have been dire. Stevenage was OK in parts but horse shit in others. Lose tomorrow and its 5 losses out of 6 going into what's become our biggest game financially of the season....and one which may get us through the season at least. The question is how long do we wait before trying something or someone new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Last season as I said a few times we persevered with Wellens for far too long and got relegated. Think the general consensus was if he was binned with 5 or 6 games left, we probably would have got the points needed to have stayed up with the squad we had. Bunns record, particularly of late is utter crap and any other chairman in our position would have sacked him by now. Yes the club in general is a fucking mess at the moment, but we have to at least try to move forward. Yes we don't have the same level of player as last year, but the players we do have are better than 17th in League 2. And yes the players say they respect him etc, but it's just not visible on the pitch at the moment. I've seen us at Forest Green (who were the best of the bunch), Yeovil, Swindon, Northampton, and Stevenage, and the general performances, of both players and the manager have been dire. Stevenage was OK in parts but horse shit in others. Lose tomorrow and its 5 losses out of 6 going into what's become our biggest game financially of the season....and one which may get us through the season at least. The question is how long do we wait before trying something or someone new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, doctor evil said: If you have 5 managers in 20 years but they're all garbage you're not going to get anywhere. Indeed but at least you’ll have given them a chance. Many people wanted Royle gone after the 83/4 season, within a few years those same people were begging him to stay when City came calling. Kowenicki is right about one thing, the fickleness of fans. It was ever thus but I stand by my assertion that changing your manager every 5 minutes doesn’t work. People on here are bemoaning the fact that we’re 30 places or whatever below Accrington without asking why that might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Don't Scare Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: A third of a season If only we’d sacked Royle when he took us from 7th in his first season to 19th in his second. We could have avoided the inconvenience of a League Cup final, 4 FA Cup semi final games and winning the second division in the last minute of the season and been where we are now years ago. Nothing like living in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: Indeed but at least you’ll have given them a chance. Many people wanted Royle gone after the 83/4 season, within a few years those same people were begging him to stay when City came calling. Kowenicki is right about one thing, the fickleness of fans. It was ever thus but I stand by my assertion that changing your manager every 5 minutes doesn’t work. People on here are bemoaning the fact that we’re 30 places or whatever below Accrington without asking why that might be. I think you can tell when a manager has something about them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: Indeed but at least you’ll have given them a chance. Many people wanted Royle gone after the 83/4 season, within a few years those same people were begging him to stay when City came calling. Kowenicki is right about one thing, the fickleness of fans. It was ever thus but I stand by my assertion that changing your manager every 5 minutes doesn’t work. People on here are bemoaning the fact that we’re 30 places or whatever below Accrington without asking why that might be. Andy Holt is a better owner than we've had for quite a few years. John Coleman is a better manager than we've had since Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, doctor evil said: I think you can tell when a manager has something about them... ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Omar Don't Scare said: Nothing like living in the past History teaches us much I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, AlanGrovesFanClub said: FTFY More chance that one of them is decent.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: ok. Tell me what you've seen in bunn to make you want to stick with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Of course changing the manager constantly is ridiculous but, at the risk of sounding like Lookers Andy, you do need a man with a plan if you want to do more than survive. Bunn has been in survival mode since walking through the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, Omar Don't Scare said: Nothing like living in the past He's the last successful manager we had. There isn't a more recent benchmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, doctor evil said: Tell me what you've seen in bunn to make you want to stick with him. I’m not saying he’s perfect, the fact is I don’t know whether he’ll be any good or not I’m just asserting that a third of a season isn’t enough to base a decision on. The recent loss of Surridge through “injury” isn’t I suspect Bunn’s fault but coincides with a downturn in form. Short term decision making is rarely beneficial. After Grimsby we were confidently talking promotion in the same way we were talking play offs after Wellens’ first magical month in charge last year. Is Bunn the second coming of JR? Doubtful but not impossible. We shouldn’t be damning him as useless after a bad 8 game run just as we shouldn’t have been lauding him after Grimsby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 For any manager to succeed, the owner needs to: - pay the players and staff on time - provide the manager with a decent budget - not create a sacking culture - not interfere in team selection - not force #frenchlads on said manager - make the club attractive by having a "plan" ((C) lookersstandandy) Until this happens, who the manager is fairly irrelevant in my opinion... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, JoeP said: For any manager to succeed, the owner needs to: - pay the players and staff on time - provide the manager with a decent budget - not create a sacking culture - not interfere in team selection - not force #frenchlads on said manager - make the club attractive by having a "plan" ((C) lookersstandandy) Until this happens, who the manager is fairly irrelevant in my opinion... Whilst all this would be ideal......you still need to have a manager who tactically can get a tune out of his players, and progress the team. Without this all of the above are pretty irrelevant. Can you honestly say from what you seen so far this season Bunn ticks these boxes? I cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Londonboy said: Whilst all this would be ideal......you still need to have a manager who tactically can get a tune out of his players, and progress the team. Without this all of the above are pretty irrelevant. Can you honestly say from what you seen so far this season Bunn ticks these boxes? I cannot. Responsibility comes from the top down. If the person at the top can't do their job properly, why should we expect the next person down to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 It’s a tough one, I wouldn’t like to be the one making the decision. Time is against us tho, if he was going to sack him he should have done it on Saturday. If we lose tomorrow and sack him, a new manager needs to be found, there is no assistant or anyone who can step up. Monday is extremely vital we win, so the options are we stick with bunn or sack him Tuesday night. Let’s face it he waited months to sack wellens after he signed Baxter, he could sack him at 7pm Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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