deyres42 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, nzlatic said: You'd probably be right. Not sure what point you're making though. There might be a lower league side where such a policy has been successful, I couldn't tell you which one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, deyres42 said: There might be a lower league side where such a policy has been successful, I couldn't tell you which one though. Seems to be working out ok for teams in the top 2 divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Seems to be working out ok for teams in the top 2 divisions. Where the quality of player and coaching is of course higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 57 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Told ya... Any others due in paddy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Where the quality of player and coaching is of course higher. So if the players signed are of good enough quality then it can work then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, nzlatic said: So if the players signed are of good enough quality then it can work then? Guess it could in theory, the ones signed so far evidently haven't been of good enough quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Guess it could in theory, the ones signed so far evidently haven't been of good enough quality. Some have. Missilou Nepo. Miombe. Maouche (shows promise) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 How do you all feel, about the possibility in the not to distant future of a squad full of foreign players? I’m interested in all the posts that seem to suggest home players are best. If so, why? Are players more talented in this country?? One thing I do get, is that whenever anybody moves to a new country in any job it takes time to settle. However other than that, is there any difference between signing 8 foreign lads and 4 being shit, and 4 being decent. Than there is with 8 British lads with with the same success rate? Why are we so scepital of forgein imports? For me, as long as they’ve made to feel welcome and the team ethic is good surely we’ve got as good chance as anybody else. Or I am missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Nepo or Dayton? Missilou or wesoloski? Miombe or Black? Maouche or Whittaker? You can argue these exapmles, but my point is we’ve had far far more shit players in the last 15 years than good ones. So if that’s the case, why not try other markets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, League one forever said: How do you all feel, about the possibility in the not to distant future of a squad full of foreign players? I’m interested in all the posts that seem to suggest home players are best. If so, why? Are players more talented in this country?? One thing I do get, is that whenever anybody moves to a new country in any job it takes time to settle. However other than that, is there any difference between signing 8 foreign lads and 4 being shit, and 4 being decent. Than there is with 8 British lads with with the same success rate? Why are we so scepital of forgein imports? For me, as long as they’ve made to feel welcome and the team ethic is good surely we’ve got as good chance as anybody else. Or I am missing something? Not going to articulate as people will look to pick it apart but just feels wrong to me, all very underwhelming. Won't be long until we are fielding 8, 9, 10 foreigners at this rate and that's not what Latics and the lower leagues should be about for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Not going to articulate as people will look to pick it apart but just feels wrong to me, all very underwhelming. Won't be long until we are fielding 8, 9, 10 foreigners at this rate and that's not what Latics and the lower leagues should be about for me. Ok. But why? What are the lower leagues ‘about’? Its exactly your point I’m genuinley interested in Eyrsey. Is it it because it’s what you know, and your apprehensive about a new model? Do you feel we’re losing our identity by playing foreigners? What’s ‘wrong’ with a team of foreigners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) Their is no reason why a group of foreign players can't be successful here even in league 2 however I think that overall we need them to be of better quality than what we have seen so far and they need to adapt to English life and League 2 life comfortably. Missilou and Nepo are the only ones who I would call genuine successes, and even then I'm not worried about losing them this window to a bigger club unlike Surridge and potentially Edmondson. Edited January 19, 2019 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitygoo Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Who are these people who put moimbe in the 'decent' bracket when we start talking about imports..... Braininless and an average full back at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwood Blue Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Fruitygoo said: Who are these people who put moimbe in the 'decent' bracket when we start talking about imports..... Braininless and an average full back at best And one i blame for us being in this pub league now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 6 hours ago, League one forever said: Ok. But why? What are the lower leagues ‘about’? Its exactly your point I’m genuinley interested in Eyrsey. Is it it because it’s what you know, and your apprehensive about a new model? Do you feel we’re losing our identity by playing foreigners? What’s ‘wrong’ with a team of foreigners? I don’t care where they come from, I’d rather finish top of the league with none English players than bottom with English! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I think there is a valid non-xenophobic point about having 'too many' foreign players in the team. For me it's re the lack of knowledge and therefore connection. When you sign from another league club then there is a fair chance you will have seen the player in action, have a reasonable knowledge of his style and career, perhaps have a mate who supports his old club etc... With the imports we're looking at dubious YouTube videos and Wiki stats which really aren't the same at all. It's one of the reasons why the PL has just become entertainment for me; I don't care about a £40m player that I have never heard of before. If they're good enough and it works then great and they're very welcome but it does mean the connection is one step removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshaw Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: When you sign from another league club then there is a fair chance you will have seen the player in action, have a reasonable knowledge of his style It also means that scouts/opposing teams have been watching you as well. Thats Macclesfields homework up the Swanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: Their is no reason why a group of foreign players can't be successful here even in league 2 however I think that overall we need them to be of better quality than what we have seen so far and they need to adapt to English life and League 2 life comfortably. Missilou and Nepo are the only ones who I would call genuine successes, and even then I'm not worried about losing them this window to a bigger club unlike Surridge and potentially Edmondson. Missile has had three good games. Less than Maouche has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCinWolves Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 8 hours ago, League one forever said: How do you all feel, about the possibility in the not to distant future of a squad full of foreign players? I’m interested in all the posts that seem to suggest home players are best. If so, why? Are players more talented in this country?? One thing I do get, is that whenever anybody moves to a new country in any job it takes time to settle. However other than that, is there any difference between signing 8 foreign lads and 4 being shit, and 4 being decent. Than there is with 8 British lads with with the same success rate? Why are we so scepital of forgein imports? For me, as long as they’ve made to feel welcome and the team ethic is good surely we’ve got as good chance as anybody else. Or I am missing something? I think the problem is closer to home, the Premeir League and to some extent the big Championship clubs. They are that scared of missing out on a gem they are just becoming cattle markets for young player. They are buying parents, taking kids from 5 years old. By time they are 18 to 21 they are already millionaires. We can't afford em. So think we probably have little choice to look for journey men, foreign players and loans where the parent club pays 90% of the wage. It's all that crazy it might just work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I think there is a valid non-xenophobic point about having 'too many' foreign players in the team. For me it's re the lack of knowledge and therefore connection. When you sign from another league club then there is a fair chance you will have seen the player in action, have a reasonable knowledge of his style and career, perhaps have a mate who supports his old club etc... With the imports we're looking at dubious YouTube videos and Wiki stats which really aren't the same at all. It's one of the reasons why the PL has just become entertainment for me; I don't care about a £40m player that I have never heard of before. If they're good enough and it works then great and they're very welcome but it does mean the connection is one step removed. Yes, this is the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 7 hours ago, deyres42 said: Not going to articulate as people will look to pick it apart but just feels wrong to me, all very underwhelming. Won't be long until we are fielding 8, 9, 10 foreigners at this rate and that's not what Latics and the lower leagues should be about for me. Hope you don’t apply that to other jobs. Foreigners in nursing, teaching, care support etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCBilly Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I think there is a valid non-xenophobic point about having 'too many' foreign players in the team. For me it's re the lack of knowledge and therefore connection. When you sign from another league club then there is a fair chance you will have seen the player in action, have a reasonable knowledge of his style and career, perhaps have a mate who supports his old club etc... With the imports we're looking at dubious YouTube videos and Wiki stats which really aren't the same at all. It's one of the reasons why the PL has just become entertainment for me; I don't care about a £40m player that I have never heard of before. If they're good enough and it works then great and they're very welcome but it does mean the connection is one step removed. Valid point but it’s not as if we haven’t signed “English” players this season too. COG, Andy Taylor, Ish, Iverson, Lyden, Baxter, Giles Coke, Lang And also, when was the last time we had two home grown players featuring regularly (and performing well regularly) in the starting 11? Plenty of teams in the lower leagues have plenty of foreign players that play for them. Missilou has probably shown more passion for the shirt than half of the lower league journeymen we’ve signed in the past. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, OAFCBilly said: Valid point but it’s not as if we haven’t signed “English” players this season too. COG, Andy Taylor, Ish, Iverson, Lyden, Baxter, Giles Coke, Lang And also, when was the last time we had two home grown players featuring regularly (and performing well regularly) in the starting 11? Plenty of teams in the lower leagues have plenty of foreign players that play for them. Missilou has probably shown more passion for the shirt than half of the lower league journeymen we’ve signed in the past. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Agree with all that, very difficult to say what is enough/too much because that question is all down to individuals and how well they do/how long they stay. Perhaps the biggest factor in losing the important feeling of connection is the rapid turnover of players and we all know that has been a problem for years and probably for most lower league clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, manshaw said: It also means that scouts/opposing teams have been watching you as well. Thats Macclesfields homework up the Swanny Not sure that is necessarily a good reason for importing unknown foreigners in to be honest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, LaticsPete said: Hope you don’t apply that to other jobs. Foreigners in nursing, teaching, care support etc.... No but I'm able to make a distinction between the two. For some people it is all about the result on a matchday and that's cool, personally I need a bit more depth to in terms of the bigger picture if you like to hold my interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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