oafc1955 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 If we starve AL and the club of funds he may decide to jump ship, if that’s what we want then fine, however, if a new owner cannot be found we would go into administration and would then have to suffer the consequences. We would be playing a very dangerous game. Port Vale are in an identical situation..... Owner Norman Smurthwaite says he will put Port Vale in administration if a buyer for the club is not found by 5 May. Smurthwaite told BBC Radio Stoke he will only fund Vale up to that point, as a result of supporter protests about his running of the League Two club. He claims that as much as £600,000 will be needed to keep the club going until the start of next season. "I wasn't the person or group of people who said 'you've got to go'," he said. "They didn't and don't understand the implications of what they've done, and they'll learn that as time goes by. "The football club has to trade through to 5 May and it will. I'll pay all of the bills up to that point. After 5 May, I will not put one cent more into the club." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 43 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: If we starve AL and the club of funds he may decide to jump ship, if that’s what we want then fine, however, if a new owner cannot be found we would go into administration and would then have to suffer the consequences. We would be playing a very dangerous game. Port Vale are in an identical situation..... Owner Norman Smurthwaite says he will put Port Vale in administration if a buyer for the club is not found by 5 May. Smurthwaite told BBC Radio Stoke he will only fund Vale up to that point, as a result of supporter protests about his running of the League Two club. He claims that as much as £600,000 will be needed to keep the club going until the start of next season. "I wasn't the person or group of people who said 'you've got to go'," he said. "They didn't and don't understand the implications of what they've done, and they'll learn that as time goes by. "The football club has to trade through to 5 May and it will. I'll pay all of the bills up to that point. After 5 May, I will not put one cent more into the club." I don't really know the full circs of their situation, there must be a reason behind the fans demanding he go? These things don't occur overnight. His comments smack almost of "right, this will teach em a lesson". I suppose it only reinforces the argument of approaching our situation in a more measured way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnafoafc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, True Tic said: I don't really know the full circs of their situation, there must be a reason behind the fans demanding he go? These things don't occur overnight. Same here but I know that the Vale fans have had grievances with their chairman/owner for quite a few years now. It’s not something recent that has triggered this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Identical is an antonym for our respective situations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInAus Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Couldn't agree more. Let's face facts, the number of people who want to pump millions into the mighty latics is zero. People wanted Corney out, now people want AL out. Without AL, the club will most likely cease to exist. I know I am a little far removed, but as far as I can see AL hasn't really done a lot wrong. I would be worried if our owner wasn't interfering with the running of the club. Surely that shows he cares about the club doing well. If he was just here for another reason he could spend all of his time in Dubai and leave the club to rot. This is not the time to protest, I think it is a very dangerous thing to do. Scholes leaving looks to me like he was out of his depth and jumped because management was harder than he thought. Really, how likely is it that AL would not tell Wild as the caretaker manager who to pick, but would tell the full time manager (who happens to be a footballing legend) who to pick in the team. It doesn't ring true to me. I lost quite a bit of respect for Scholes even before he took the job, if the rumours of his high wage demands are true. He hardly needs the money, and any wage he takes surely takes away from the playing budget. Scholes is gone, AL is still here. I hope he proves all the nay-sayers wrong and makes us stable and we can push for promotion next year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 ^ Yeah, you should probably post less often if that's anything to go by... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BlueInAus said: Couldn't agree more. Let's face facts, the number of people who want to pump millions into the mighty latics is zero. People wanted Corney out, now people want AL out. Without AL, the club will most likely cease to exist. I know I am a little far removed, but as far as I can see AL hasn't really done a lot wrong. I would be worried if our owner wasn't interfering with the running of the club. Surely that shows he cares about the club doing well. If he was just here for another reason he could spend all of his time in Dubai and leave the club to rot. This is not the time to protest, I think it is a very dangerous thing to do. Scholes leaving looks to me like he was out of his depth and jumped because management was harder than he thought. Really, how likely is it that AL would not tell Wild as the caretaker manager who to pick, but would tell the full time manager (who happens to be a footballing legend) who to pick in the team. It doesn't ring true to me. I lost quite a bit of respect for Scholes even before he took the job, if the rumours of his high wage demands are true. He hardly needs the money, and any wage he takes surely takes away from the playing budget. Scholes is gone, AL is still here. I hope he proves all the nay-sayers wrong and makes us stable and we can push for promotion next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 We are in the early bird period for ST sales....he simply has to engage with the fans and trust now. We need a statement of intent, a plan, a reassurance as to where we are heading. Fans want to know if we’ll have a competitive budget next year. AL has to be honest with the fans...if he’s skint and struggling he needs to come clean and say so! Under normal circumstances bringing Wild back again until the end of the season would have been the obvious move but this isn’t normal circumstances, it is the cheap option once again and will not persuade disillusioned fans to buy season tickets. We will probably be starting next season with yet another new manager and another new team. After a shambles of a first full season under our present ownership I can only see this football club heading in one direction where it’s not only our league status that could be under threat! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BlueInAus said: Couldn't agree more. Let's face facts, the number of people who want to pump millions into the mighty latics is zero. People wanted Corney out, now people want AL out. Without AL, the club will most likely cease to exist. I know I am a little far removed, but as far as I can see AL hasn't really done a lot wrong. I would be worried if our owner wasn't interfering with the running of the club. Surely that shows he cares about the club doing well. If he was just here for another reason he could spend all of his time in Dubai and leave the club to rot. This is not the time to protest, I think it is a very dangerous thing to do. Scholes leaving looks to me like he was out of his depth and jumped because management was harder than he thought. Really, how likely is it that AL would not tell Wild as the caretaker manager who to pick, but would tell the full time manager (who happens to be a footballing legend) who to pick in the team. It doesn't ring true to me. I lost quite a bit of respect for Scholes even before he took the job, if the rumours of his high wage demands are true. He hardly needs the money, and any wage he takes surely takes away from the playing budget. Scholes is gone, AL is still here. I hope he proves all the nay-sayers wrong and makes us stable and we can push for promotion next year. Gosh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, BlueInAus said: Couldn't agree more. Let's face facts, the number of people who want to pump millions into the mighty latics is zero. People wanted Corney out, now people want AL out. Without AL, the club will most likely cease to exist. I know I am a little far removed, but as far as I can see AL hasn't really done a lot wrong. I would be worried if our owner wasn't interfering with the running of the club. Surely that shows he cares about the club doing well. If he was just here for another reason he could spend all of his time in Dubai and leave the club to rot. This is not the time to protest, I think it is a very dangerous thing to do. Scholes leaving looks to me like he was out of his depth and jumped because management was harder than he thought. Really, how likely is it that AL would not tell Wild as the caretaker manager who to pick, but would tell the full time manager (who happens to be a footballing legend) who to pick in the team. It doesn't ring true to me. I lost quite a bit of respect for Scholes even before he took the job, if the rumours of his high wage demands are true. He hardly needs the money, and any wage he takes surely takes away from the playing budget. Scholes is gone, AL is still here. I hope he proves all the nay-sayers wrong and makes us stable and we can push for promotion next year. I suspected Barry Owen had multiple accounts 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: We are in the early bird period for ST sales....he simply has to engage with the fans and trust now. We need a statement of intent, a plan, a reassurance as to where we are heading. Fans want to know if we’ll have a competitive budget next year. AL has to be honest with the fans...if he’s skint and struggling he needs to come clean and say so! Under normal circumstances bringing Wild back again until the end of the season would have been the obvious move but this isn’t normal circumstances, it is the cheap option once again and will not persuade disillusioned fans to buy season tickets. We will probably be starting next season with yet another new manager and another new team. After a shambles of a first full season under our present ownership I can only see this football club heading in one direction where it’s not only our league status that could be under threat! Was this discussed Saturday ? Would be nice to hear some form or plan. Or like u say, he admits he’s skint. We all rally round, I remember the tta talking about increasing season tickets to have a real crack at promotion. Just a bit of honesty is all we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I think I'd rather risk administration now and try and find a buyer while we're in the league rather than wait until AL has taken us to the Conference North and then go through the process... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Not that it is going to happen but administration still has to be funded, who does that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Not that it is going to happen but administration still has to be funded, who does that? Who normally funds it? Who funded it when Chis Moore fecked off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, JoeP said: Who normally funds it? Who funded it when Chis Moore fecked off? Was it player sales at that time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, deyres42 said: Was it player sales at that time? That was the administrator cashing in on assets, for a pittance in some cases. Not sure this squad has much worth other than a couple of the younger lads like Edmondson and Hamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Was it player sales at that time? I can't remember exactly, but wasn't it Moore selling players behind Dowie's back that Moore kept the money for? We had the Legends (and Matthew Tipton...) game and season ticket money, I think Sort of related, but I think that period also involved some players not being paid and handing in their resignation, meaning they could have walked away for nothing... Edited March 25, 2019 by JoeP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, BlueInAus said: Couldn't agree more. Let's face facts, the number of people who want to pump millions into the mighty latics is zero. People wanted Corney out, now people want AL out. Without AL, the club will most likely cease to exist. I know I am a little far removed, but as far as I can see AL hasn't really done a lot wrong. I would be worried if our owner wasn't interfering with the running of the club. Surely that shows he cares about the club doing well. If he was just here for another reason he could spend all of his time in Dubai and leave the club to rot. This is not the time to protest, I think it is a very dangerous thing to do. Scholes leaving looks to me like he was out of his depth and jumped because management was harder than he thought. Really, how likely is it that AL would not tell Wild as the caretaker manager who to pick, but would tell the full time manager (who happens to be a footballing legend) who to pick in the team. It doesn't ring true to me. I lost quite a bit of respect for Scholes even before he took the job, if the rumours of his high wage demands are true. He hardly needs the money, and any wage he takes surely takes away from the playing budget. Scholes is gone, AL is still here. I hope he proves all the nay-sayers wrong and makes us stable and we can push for promotion next year. You lost respect for someone based on rumour? Ok then..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: That was the administrator cashing in on assets, for a pittance in some cases. Not sure this squad has much worth other than a couple of the younger lads like Edmondson and Hamer. Yh, think you'd be lucky to get half a million for the pair if things were desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 You’d be lucky to get 1/2m for the whole team!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeP said: We had the Legends (and Matthew Tipton...) game and season ticket money, I think The club saw none of that; that was the money which essentially funded the trust's share purchase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, deyres42 said: ^ Yeah, you should probably post less often if that's anything to go by... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfectOzblue Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, League one forever said: Our user names may be similar but can I completely and totally disasocciate myself from that poster? Thanks if so! Edited March 25, 2019 by perfectOzblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, BlueInAus said: Couldn't agree more. Let's face facts, the number of people who want to pump millions into the mighty latics is zero. People wanted Corney out, now people want AL out. Without AL, the club will most likely cease to exist. I know I am a little far removed, but as far as I can see AL hasn't really done a lot wrong. I would be worried if our owner wasn't interfering with the running of the club. Surely that shows he cares about the club doing well. If he was just here for another reason he could spend all of his time in Dubai and leave the club to rot. This is not the time to protest, I think it is a very dangerous thing to do. Scholes leaving looks to me like he was out of his depth and jumped because management was harder than he thought. Really, how likely is it that AL would not tell Wild as the caretaker manager who to pick, but would tell the full time manager (who happens to be a footballing legend) who to pick in the team. It doesn't ring true to me. I lost quite a bit of respect for Scholes even before he took the job, if the rumours of his high wage demands are true. He hardly needs the money, and any wage he takes surely takes away from the playing budget. Scholes is gone, AL is still here. I hope he proves all the nay-sayers wrong and makes us stable and we can push for promotion next year. 2 hours ago, jorvik_latic said: You lost respect for someone based on rumour? Ok then..... Interesting Blue that you choose to believe one rumour about the salary demand but none of the following, that have a credible source/s: Communication regards team slection and actions to affect player availability Visits to the dressing room despite being asked not too Promising to change ways, but then reneging on that Gas supply interruption Coach not turning up Coach company change from highly reputable to dodgy 30+ staff replaced Contract discussions behind managers back Player disciplinary actions without manager knowledge Refusal to engage Trust Arranging a clandestine meeting at short notice with a select group of fans on the eve of an open meeting of 150 fans, whislt all the time claiming to want to buld better fan rapport As well as the more proven actions such as nepotism appointing your brother to the 2nd most senior positon after (another rumour) he failed the notoriously lax fit and proper person test. Amongst others. Inflated wages for nondescript players How can you not lost some respect for someone for any of those, much less all of them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, JoeP said: I can't remember exactly, but wasn't it Moore selling players behind Dowie's back that Moore kept the money for? We had the Legends (and Matthew Tipton...) game and season ticket money, I think Sort of related, but I think that period also involved some players not being paid and handing in their resignation, meaning they could have walked away for nothing... Legends game was to build Trust funds, not to finance OAFC's administration. We were very careful to ensure segregation of funds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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