BP1960 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 19 hours ago, Gaz_Oafc said: Chris Beech sacked by Fylde. But Haughton before the new manager settles in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 On 9/16/2024 at 1:18 PM, BP1960 said: But Haughton before the new manager settles in. Scored their winner last night against Southend. He’s now got 8 in 9 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Some interesting games in the National League this weekend: Aldershot v York Eastleigh v Rochdale Gateshead v Forest Green The most important thing though is that we get the three points at home to Yeovil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheBigDog said: Some interesting games in the National League this weekend: Aldershot v York Eastleigh v Rochdale Gateshead v Forest Green The most important thing though is that we get the three points at home to Yeovil 3 away wins 15/1, fill your boots. Chuck us in as well 28/1, thank me later. Edited September 18 by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Mischievous post alert... are top of the table York still using statsbomb?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 4 hours ago, TheBigDog said: Scored their winner last night against Southend. He’s now got 8 in 9 games. Never looked like scoring against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 2 hours ago, nzlatic said: Mischievous post alert... are top of the table York still using statsbomb?! I think they dumped it and it coincided with a miraculous upturn in fortune. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 6 hours ago, nzlatic said: Mischievous post alert... are top of the table York still using statsbomb?! I did Google this and came across a couple of LinkedIn posts saying that York used Data driven analysis alongside watching players in person to recruit players this summer one being Alex Hunt. So it's fair to say they are using data analysis to recruit. It's going to become more common for clubs at this level to use it the clubs that don't use it will no doubt get left behind. But there will still very much be a place for watching players in person. Reading an extract from the book the other week by Ian Graham Liverpools former head of data the titled How to win the premier league, he said about how the data showed that the signing of Christian Benteke would be a bad signing as the data showed he wouldn't fit in at Liverpool, he was right. He did then say though that the signings that did work for them were the ones that the data team, the Scouting team, and the management team all agreed on. It's here to stay people shouldn't be scared of it it will come with its challenges it won't get everything right but we should see it as an opportunity. I'm sure there was a time when everyone was cynical to the Internet yet here we are all talking to each other through it. Edited September 18 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 3 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: I did Google this and came across a couple of LinkedIn posts saying that York used Data driven analysis alongside watching players in person to recruit players this summer one being Alex Hunt. So it's fair to say they are using data analysis to recruit. It's going to become more common for clubs at this level to use it the clubs that don't use it will no doubt get left behind. But there will still very much be a place for watching players in person. Reading an extract from the book the other week by Ian Graham Liverpools former head of data the titled How to win the premier league, he said about how the data showed that the signing of Christian Benteke would be a bad signing as the data showed he wouldn't fit in at Liverpool, he was right. He did then say though that the signings that did work for them were the ones that the data team, the Scouting team, and the management team all agreed on. It's here to stay people shouldn't be scared of it it will come with its challenges it won't get everything right but we should see it as an opportunity. I'm sure there was a time when everyone was cynical to the Internet yet here we are all talking to each other through it. Any data/stats based analysis that was used to identify Joe Nuttall as a player we should be paying a transfer fee and substantial wages to needs putting in the bin - just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 4 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Any data/stats based analysis that was used to identify Joe Nuttall as a player we should be paying a transfer fee and substantial wages to needs putting in the bin - just saying. Even worse if the manager and recruitment team also agreed he was a player we would need. That 1 decision is a sackable offence in itself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 25 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Any data/stats based analysis that was used to identify Joe Nuttall as a player we should be paying a transfer fee and substantial wages to needs putting in the bin - just saying. I'm fairly certain that Nuttall was purely an Unsworth infatuation based on his performances for Blackburn against his U23 Everton side around 2018/19. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 26 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Any data/stats based analysis that was used to identify Joe Nuttall as a player we should be paying a transfer fee and substantial wages to needs putting in the bin - just saying. So when the signing is bad are we saying it's down to data analysis and when the signing is good it's down to scouting is that the assumption we are making here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said: So when the signing is bad are we saying it's down to data analysis and when the signing is good it's down to scouting is that the assumption we are making here? I don't suppose we'll ever know unless Unsworth himself tells us why/how he was brought in. I'm not sure what method we currently use although I suspect Mellon is having the final decision on who he works with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKing521 Posted September 18 Author Share Posted September 18 Do data and stats account for #MainStandPressureTax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 8 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I don't suppose we'll ever know unless Unsworth himself tells us why/how he was brought in. I'm not sure what method we currently use although I suspect Mellon is having the final decision on who he works with. I think we can conclude Joe Nuttall wasn't a good signing, whatever method we used I don't know but I think their has been a learning curve here. Looking at the signings he's made which Mellon has to sign it off then it looks like he's prepared to use his contacts for the likes of Monthe and Caprice and use the scouts/data for others. Ogle has been on our radar for over a year so I'm guessing he took the advice of the scouts/data team on that one. Either way I think we recruited better this summer than last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradKnowles1 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 10 hours ago, Gentleman said: I'm fairly certain that Nuttall was purely an Unsworth infatuation based on his performances for Blackburn against his U23 Everton side around 2018/19. Definitely a Thompson signing as well. Played for Blackpool when he was there I think. A monumental failure signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 50 minutes ago, BradKnowles1 said: Definitely a Thompson signing as well. Played for Blackpool when he was there I think. A monumental failure signing Anyone know what happened to Thompson? Not heard of him pitching up anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 53 minutes ago, BradKnowles1 said: Definitely a Thompson signing as well. Played for Blackpool when he was there I think. A monumental failure signing Fair enough, makes sense. Worth noting that during the Blackburn Nuttall period Unsworth won the league with Bass Sambou leading the line which probably does impact your ability to contextualise what good looks like (to steal a phrase). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, BradKnowles1 said: Definitely a Thompson signing as well. Played for Blackpool when he was there I think. A monumental failure signing Nah, I got it that Unsworth wanted Nuttall but couldn't get him. So then Thompson offered him Reid, who we signed. Nuttall then came available and Unsworth was desperate to get him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 10 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I don't suppose we'll ever know unless Unsworth himself tells us why/how he was brought in. I'm not sure what method we currently use although I suspect Mellon is having the final decision on who he works with. The credit he used to give him in post-match interviews, even after he'd played poorly, always suggested to me he was trying to justify the money spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 29 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Nah, I got it that Unsworth wanted Nuttall but couldn't get him. So then Thompson offered him Reid, who we signed. Nuttall then came available and Unsworth was desperate to get him... So a bit like the Willoughby/Norwood saga then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astottie Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Barnet currently top with 24 points from 11 games. Eastleigh 7th with 20 from 11. Last year Chesterfield top with 28 points from 11 games. Dale 7th with 18 from 11. I would suggest that this supports the view that its going to be tighter this year and it is unlikely that anyone will run away with it. Additionally, the gap between 7th and 8th is already 4 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 I thought FGR last night looked a better side than Chesterfield did when they came to BP last season. Only difference being FGR were wasteful in the final third. IMO easily the best side I’ve seen this season and will definitely be top 3. If probs have them down as favourites tbh. Wonder how this Latics team with the whole pre season behind it would have fared last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astottie Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 1 hour ago, sjk2008 said: I thought FGR last night looked a better side than Chesterfield did when they came to BP last season. Only difference being FGR were wasteful in the final third. IMO easily the best side I’ve seen this season and will definitely be top 3. If probs have them down as favourites tbh. Wonder how this Latics team with the whole pre season behind it would have fared last season. Agreed. They were strong and quick in attack. Defensively not as good. 7 and 8 for them were outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, astottie said: Agreed. They were strong and quick in attack. Defensively not as good. 7 and 8 for them were outstanding. Dominated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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