deyres42 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Don't see Mellon as a good fit character or style wise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel latic Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 41 minutes ago, LaticsEddie said: Had a thought, with Clarke gone, Mellon being quite divisive amongst the fans and no one else out of work thats exciting and/or realistic, how about hand Thommo the job until the end of the season with a clause that says with promotion theres a 2 year deal. If he achieves it, everyones happy and he then is given time to build and if not we buy Pete Wild's contract out at Barrow who I reckon will have 1 year left at the end of the season. With the start we've had, going up would be a success and it would be tough to argue against Thompson. Having said that Frank and presumably the board has said play off's is a minimum this season. Failing that then, Thompson cant argue given the agreed clause. Stepping down after a playoff loss could be seen as harsh but that can be negotiated between Thommo and the board and id trust them to reach the right decision. It's not a bad idea but my concern, even on appointing until the end of the season, would be that the five games we've played under ST have been against some of the worse teams in the division. I'd really want to see more games before handing it to ST until the end of the season. Think we wait and see what comes out of the recruitment process, if ST has stuck his hat in the ring it might be him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel latic Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: There's a lot to unpack there but as a starter for ten: 1. Micky Melons is going to have to do a lot more for his money if he comes here, I don't see "Just win" propelling us up the table. 2. That whole Norwood vibe, sorry Nors vibe. Is he a prizefighter? A council estate Hugh Hefner? Ready for bed? I don't know. 3. Are all podcast hosts called Matt? 44 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: Edited October 5, 2023 by Hemel latic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanMarshall's Mullet Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) Mellon signed Kyle Jameson when he was at Tranmere. Just sayin….. Edited October 5, 2023 by IanMarshall's Mullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 If he ever comes here, I'd hope he'd bring his striking son with him from Burnley. Has an eye for a goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsEddie Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Hemel latic said: It's not a bad idea but my concern, even on appointing until the end of the season, would be that the five games we've played under ST have been against some of the worse teams in the division. I'd really want to see more games before handing it to ST until the end of the season. Think we wait and see what comes out of the recruitment process, if ST has stuck his hat in the ring it might be him. Good point, but I worry we're heading into abit of a no mans land, a choice needs to be made. For me the Dogdale game is the big one. He will have had a full week to work on what he wants with the players, playing against a... less shit oppo. A decision certainly must be reached sooner rather than later but for me he deserves that opportunity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just to show how weak the next manager market is: At 2pm today there were 30 names in BetVC's market, up to 33/1. That didn't include Damien Duff. I asked if I could have a price for him for a fiver and they offered 16/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: Just to show how weak the next manager market is: At 2pm today there were 30 names in BetVC's market, up to 33/1. That didn't include Damien Duff. I asked if I could have a price for him for a fiver and they offered 16/1 You're lucky they laid it to a fiver ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkleking Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Personally I don't get the "must have experience at this level" rhetoric. Our two most successful managers in living memory, Jimmy Frizzell and Joe Royle, had no experience of managing at any level. Full stop. To counter my own argument I would also add that some of our worst managers (hello David Unsworth) had no experience, and it showed. So yes, experience is an advantage but I'm not sure it's the be all and end all. Experienced managers can (and do) fail, and rookie managers can (and do fail). Just depends on the manager involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Sparkleking said: Personally I don't get the "must have experience at this level" rhetoric. Our two most successful managers in living memory, Jimmy Frizzell and Joe Royle, had no experience of managing at any level. Full stop. To counter my own argument I would also add that some of our worst managers (hello David Unsworth) had no experience, and it showed. So yes, experience is an advantage but I'm not sure it's the be all and end all. Experienced managers can (and do) fail, and rookie managers can (and do fail). Just depends on the manager involved. In summary we almost always go for someone inexperienced because it’s cheap and we normally don’t have a pot to piss in! Not the case now, so we don’t have to take that sort of gamble if good experienced options are available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punce Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 19 minutes ago, Sparkleking said: Personally I don't get the "must have experience at this level" rhetoric. Our two most successful managers in living memory, Jimmy Frizzell and Joe Royle, had no experience of managing at any level. Full stop. To counter my own argument I would also add that some of our worst managers (hello David Unsworth) had no experience, and it showed. So yes, experience is an advantage but I'm not sure it's the be all and end all. Experienced managers can (and do) fail, and rookie managers can (and do fail). Just depends on the manager involved. Yup, I recall the well experienced Jack Rowley coming back " I have unfinished business at Oldham" . Lost his first 5 games, gone in short order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerdeep Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 ^ To be fair to Rowley though, he did get the side playing some decent stuff over the second half of the 1968-69 season, it's just that it was a bit late by then. From late December his record was W11, D6, L9 from 26 games. If they'd shown that form from the start they'd have finished in the top half of the table. I started watching Latics in February 1969, and never saw them lose a game that season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerdeep Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 And by the way, that record of Rowley's was very similar to that of Frizzell when he took over for the second half of the 1969-70 season and steered us away from the re-election zone (W9, D6, L7 from 22 games). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Sparkleking said: Personally I don't get the "must have experience at this level" rhetoric. Our two most successful managers in living memory, Jimmy Frizzell and Joe Royle, had no experience of managing at any level. Full stop. To counter my own argument I would also add that some of our worst managers (hello David Unsworth) had no experience, and it showed. So yes, experience is an advantage but I'm not sure it's the be all and end all. Experienced managers can (and do) fail, and rookie managers can (and do fail). Just depends on the manager involved. Dean Holden, Darren Kelly, David Dunn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkleking Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, LaticMark said: Dean Holden, Darren Kelly, David Dunn? What about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlion Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Sparkleking said: What about them? Arguably all better than Unsworth ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkleking Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, redlion said: Arguably all better than Unsworth ? Possibly. Could they be much worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlion Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sparkleking said: Possibly. Could they be much worse? No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) Trying to think of the most successful experienced Latics manager in my supporting lifetime. Probably whichever iteration of Shez it was that got to the play offs. It's not a high bar given that's since 1966! Edited October 6, 2023 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 39 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Trying to think of the most successful experienced Latics manager in my supporting lifetime. Probably whichever iteration of Shez it was that got to the play offs. It's not a high bar given that's since 1966! Shez got into the play offs in his first full season in Management. He was an experienced manager in 2016 and 2017 when we pulled away from relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: Trying to think of the most successful experienced Latics manager in my supporting lifetime. Probably whichever iteration of Shez it was that got to the play offs. It's not a high bar given that's since 1966! Warnock managed not to relegate us if that counts!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 36 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: Warnock managed not to relegate us if that counts!!! We did go down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: We did go down? Wasn't it effectively Sharp's relegation? I think he resigned just before the drop, and Warnock had no time at all to rescue that season. Could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: Trying to think of the most successful experienced Latics manager in my supporting lifetime. Probably whichever iteration of Shez it was that got to the play offs. It's not a high bar given that's since 1966! It shows the problem of making a successful appointment. By the time they left us Frizzell and Royle were among the most experienced managers across the entire Football League (I remember well the outrage when Frizzell was sacked and replaced by the rookie Royle). It's a problem at all levels - look at the roll call of managers at Old Trafford since Ferguson. City will have the same problem when Pep moves on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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