Monty Burns Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, nzlatic said: DU played them both as holding midfielders in a defensive looking team. Problem is I don’t think either of them are holding midfielders. Sheron has always been a defender and I think Shelton is a more attacking player. 2 players out of position in a key area of the pitch is a recipe for disaster. I don’t think DU knew what he wanted his central midfield to look like plus we’ve had a few injuries there. ST hasn’t been settled in that area either. It’s our biggest problem. Whoever gets the job next needs to decide how they want the central midfield to look and sort it out. That’s the key to sorting our whole season. agreed. was the key to DU not getting a managers job ever again. for me the GK is the most important position but for everybody (surely) the midfield is the most important area of the pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, JoeP said: https://youtu.be/FPAbAOB14aI Hmmm...did seem a lot of token jogging towards the opposition when they had the ball, rather than genuine pressing. How is their disallowed goal off-side if Sutton touched it?? It’s still offside if he’s offside when their player passes it. PL had a very similar decision a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronoafc Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Bit random but how are these stats compiled for these various lower league stats websites? I assume it’s that sports vest/bra thing they all wear? how can that track pass completion, forward/back passes etc? Legit question, never looked into how it all works. Can understand higher up the leagues where there’s a million eye balls and club staff members watching every aspect of every player but lower league I assume its compiled from the vests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, aaronoafc said: Bit random but how are these stats compiled for these various lower league stats websites? I assume it’s that sports vest/bra thing they all wear? how can that track pass completion, forward/back passes etc? Legit question, never looked into how it all works. Can understand higher up the leagues where there’s a million eye balls and club staff members watching every aspect of every player but lower league I assume its compiled from the vests? analysts sit in the stand and count them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronoafc Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: analysts sit in the stand and count them. Don’t most clubs at this level have like 1 part time analyst if that? How can he track everything. It probably is a combination of an analyst and the sports vest things I just find it amazing there’s so many stats available for players in the 5th division where sometimes a few hundred people go and watch lol Edited October 1, 2023 by aaronoafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2023/september/30092023-thompson-post-wealdstone-a/ 1. l'm getting new midfielder, new winger vibes. 2. give him the job until june and free hit ourselves to the title. he's been everywhere and seen everything, but still got Gawbie in his accent. lve said you can see his thought and honesty in interviews and to see him pulling his earlobes proves it (sorry for the cheap psychology). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, aaronoafc said: Don’t most clubs at this level have like 1 part time analyst if that? How can he track everything. It probably is a combination of an analyst and the sports vest things I just find it amazing there’s so many stats available for players in the 5th division where sometimes a few hundred people go and watch lol we have got a few l think theres two or three in the stats dept? they will also be tuned to that type of stuff. hopefully theyre massively OCD and sit on the autism scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronoafc Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 10 hours ago, LaticsEddie said: I have a premium account through my work so I cant link you to it but I can tell you anything you like stats wise Does it have up to date stats based on games for us this season? If so who do the stats suggest are our current best players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, aaronoafc said: Does it have up to date stats based on games for us this season? If so who do the stats suggest are our current best players? he should just give us all access really dont you think? hopefully he's a communist.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Ok so I have a theory on both Sheron and Shelton and why their numbers would look quite good. Firstly I imagine that their pass completion is quite high as when they get the ball they usually play a safe pass so when it's played to their feet from the centre back it usually goes straight back to the centre back or a side ways pass to the full back. Neither of them are inventive passers of the ball they don't take the ball on the half turn and play balls through the lines that cut open the opposition and create chances. Do the stats back that Theory up do they have a comparitively high pass completion rate? I've got a theory that completed passes means bollock all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I've got a theory that completed passes means bollock all. sometimes you sound like a reyt yokshireman you know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, aaronoafc said: Don’t most clubs at this level have like 1 part time analyst if that? How can he track everything. It probably is a combination of an analyst and the sports vest things I just find it amazing there’s so many stats available for players in the 5th division where sometimes a few hundred people go and watch lol I imagine their is a technological aspect to this which calculates it automatically rather than say a bloke with a piece of paper counting passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I've got a theory that completed passes means bollock all. I disagree I think it can give us an insight into our play if you interpret it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2023/september/30092023-thompson-post-wealdstone-a/ 1. l'm getting new midfielder, new winger vibes. Does this mean the head of recruitment isn't impressed with the recruitment already made...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 43 minutes ago, JoeP said: https://youtu.be/FPAbAOB14aI Hmmm...did seem a lot of token jogging towards the opposition when they had the ball, rather than genuine pressing. How is their disallowed goal off-side if Sutton touched it?? Offside if accidentally touched it, onside if deliberately played it. Law 11.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Does this mean the head of recruitment isn't impressed with the recruitment already made...? in one glaring area yeah, like allott of us have been mentally screaming for a year. winger needed bc we play with wingers but you cant do a season with just two. Edited October 1, 2023 by Monty Burns another sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 34 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: sometimes you sound like a reyt yokshireman you know! Don’t you mean tha nose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanMarshall's Mullet Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 30 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Does this mean the head of recruitment isn't impressed with the recruitment already made...? I suspect it does and there’s nothing particularly wrong with that. All leagues are littered with players that looked good playing for another team then fail to impress after you acquire them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, oafc1955 said: Don’t you mean tha nose? no bc lm a proud Lancastrian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longlostfan Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Does this mean the head of recruitment isn't impressed with the recruitment already made...? To some extent - probably. You may have more insight into what was going on behind the scenes but it looks a bit like Unsworth had his targets which weren't necessarily what ST was bringing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 51 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Does this mean the head of recruitment isn't impressed with the recruitment already made...? I’m not sure the recruitment was fully completed before DU went . Think we were still short of a full back and defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsEddie Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 44 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Ok so I have a theory on both Sheron and Shelton and why their numbers would look quite good. Firstly I imagine that their pass completion is quite high as when they get the ball they usually play a safe pass so when it's played to their feet from the centre back it usually goes straight back to the centre back or a side ways pass to the full back. Neither of them are inventive passers of the ball they don't take the ball on the half turn and play balls through the lines that cut open the opposition and create chances. Do the stats back that Theory up do they have a comparitively high pass completion rate? So ive compared 3 other midfielders with similar minutes this season alongside Sheron and Shelton for comparison. Reagan Booty at Gateshead, as we were interested in him over the summer and they are a pass heavy team, Joe Leesley at Kidderminster, as they are a long ball team and Dan Gardner. Ive compiled the pass per 90 and extrapolated the forward passes and shown their accuracy but the problem with forward pass is that it can be sideways but like a yard in front so in an attempt to build an overall picture of their creativity I’ve added passes to final 3rd, through balls, progressive passes per 90 and total expected assists. Accurate passes %| Pass per 90| Forward passes per 90| Accurate forward pass %| Passes to final third per 90| Through balls per 90| Progressive pass per 90 (Acc %)| xA| Gardner 81.08 45.53 16.35 69.89 8.61 1.58 8.09 (82.61%) 0.61 (1 assist) Sheron 80.21% 36.04 13.6 64.48 7.88 0.59 6.24 (66.67%) 0.17 Shelton 84.38% 41.55 14.55 72.66 6.07 0.94 5.23 (72%) 0.65 Maguire 75.9% 35.24 14.35 60.95 10.02 0.93 9.76 (85.22%) 1.68 Booty 86.46 78.26 29.4 77.37 14.04 1.97 15.19 (82.16%) 0.66 (2 assists) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aaronoafc Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LaticsEddie said: So ive compared 3 other midfielders with similar minutes this season alongside Sheron and Shelton for comparison. Reagan Booty at Gateshead, as we were interested in him over the summer and they are a pass heavy team, Joe Leesley at Kidderminster, as they are a long ball team and Dan Gardner. Ive compiled the pass per 90 and extrapolated the forward passes and shown their accuracy but the problem with forward pass is that it can be sideways but like a yard in front so in an attempt to build an overall picture of their creativity I’ve added passes to final 3rd, through balls, progressive passes per 90 and total expected assists. Accurate passes %| Pass per 90| Forward passes per 90| Accurate forward pass %| Passes to final third per 90| Through balls per 90| Progressive pass per 90 (Acc %)| xA| Gardner 81.08 45.53 16.35 69.89 8.61 1.58 8.09 (82.61%) 0.61 (1 assist) Sheron 80.21% 36.04 13.6 64.48 7.88 0.59 6.24 (66.67%) 0.17 Shelton 84.38% 41.55 14.55 72.66 6.07 0.94 5.23 (72%) 0.65 Maguire 75.9% 35.24 14.35 60.95 10.02 0.93 9.76 (85.22%) 1.68 Booty 86.46 78.26 29.4 77.37 14.04 1.97 15.19 (82.16%) 0.66 (2 assists) So basically we should have signed Booty who we where linked with I do realise his stats for most things will probably be higher this season given how Gateshead play Edited October 1, 2023 by aaronoafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsEddie Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Monty Burns said: that account sounds like something ld have lost months of my life to when l played fantasy football I know, its a problem! I need it once per 6 months for work yet im on it almost every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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