Micky Mellon Sack Watch

[diggleblue]

3 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

I've renewed my season ticket because I support a club I've followed for over 60 years. 

But to see Frank's best intentions being ruined is heartbreaking.

Win our last 2 games and we might yet be celebrating.Mellon is a good man and I honestly believe he knows what to do. He is not deluded like unsworth was. He needs our support and time.He has vast experience and he knows who's not doing their job. Those players will either have their arses smacked or will be removed next year.Lets just beat Halifax for a start.

[League one forever]

7 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

19 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

In his post match interview he's pretty much saying what we are

Spot on. 
 

He’s saying it’s a mess, and he doesn’t escape criticism. 
 

Seems pretty bang on to me. 

[Littlemoor Lad]

1 minute ago, League one forever said:

Spot on. 
 

He’s saying it’s a mess, and he doesn’t escape criticism. 
 

Seems pretty bang on to me. 

Difference is, he's the one calling all the shots 

I wouldn't put up with some of these wasters at work on peanuts, let alone kicking around a bag of wind on top money

[whittles left foot]

17 minutes ago, GKing521 said:

I’m sorry, but deep rooted change is needed. 

So what is this deep rooted change or is it just you venting again?

[Guy Branston Pickle]

33 minutes ago, trickyrickyholden said:

Completey agree with this. I do think the team has been very disappointing this season, but the sight of all those man-childs getting angry and booing is a complete embarrassment. 

 

Anyway, Mellon defo in for me and I'll be renewing my season ticket and might even clap them off next Saturday.

 

I can do this because I have a good life which isn't defined by whether oldham win or lose every week.(thank god :-))

If they were just booing at the end of games I'd understand, but some of the vitriol and abuse of players and managers I've heard the last couple of years goes way beyond criticism. Shelton was getting booed whilst being subbed on during games that we were winning not that long ago, as an example. Top support that.

[nzlatic]

27 minutes ago, League one forever said:

There shouldn’t be a lot to fix. . . 
 

Frank fixed the legacy nearly two years ago.
 

We have one of the highest gates.
 

We have one of the best budgets.
 

But since Frank came in - decision after decision on the football side has been woeful. That’s nothing to do with Chris Moore, Simon Corney, or AL. There are clubs far far worse of than us, who manage their football much better. 
 

The culture of excuse has to stop, and people at the club need to take accountability and fans need to stop looking to blame things that happened years ago. 
 

If a business has been underfunded and mismanaged for a decade or 2, you don’t turn it around in less than 2 years just with good intentions and chucking some money at it. It’s not an excuse, it’s just not how business works. At all. 
 

We have new people in pretty much every position. All working together for the first time. Mistakes will happen. It can’t be avoided. Plans will be made and then changed. Take recruitment, our issues could be because the process was wrong last summer. So that could take time to fix properly, who knows? This is all perfectly normal though - it will take time to get the set up of the club working to its best in every department. More time than 2 seasons. 
 

Some people want to respond to adversity by torching everything and everyone and starting from scratch. I might be wrong but I don’t think that’s the way to go for long term health of the club. 

[Fervid]

The blame firmly sits at Darren Royles door, simples. 
He’s had a free ride by most up until now but questions need asked. 

[nzlatic]

25 minutes ago, GKing521 said:

Right. Stop it.

 

It’s clear the supposed negative noises in away end today have riled you up but this is a fan base that has nothing but pain for many, many years.

 

There are players out there wearing our colours and on more money than most were on when we were in the 3rd tier. 

 

We brought in a manager to get us into the play offs and he’s not just missed that objective - he has categorically FAILED. 

 

What is there to suggest that Mellon will now be able to get these players back on his side this summer? A lot of them are sticking around…

 

I’m sorry, but deep rooted change is needed. 

Stop what? Saying Mellon should be given time or criticising fans who are trying to hound Norwood out?

[spanishfly]

Well MM has nailed his colours to the mast in that interview. I`ve inherited many players who just aren't good enough. I`ve tried to improve them but they are incapable of improving to the standard I know is required. I know what is required and it's going to need some new players and for some contracted ones to be paid off. Over to you, Board.

 

It's an unusual interview, for sure, but I like it. I like honesty and it's been obvious for a while that the players are not busting a gut for him. It's a bloody critical summer this. I think the owner is going to have to be brave and trust MM in what he is saying. It's going to cost an awful lot more money than ever was anticipated to get us up, that's for sure.

 

Whover appointed DU (someone tells me it was Joe's recommendation not DR's?) AND sanctioned his player choices needs to be held accountable too.

 

 

[OAFC_ULTRA]

1 hour ago, BP1960 said:

 

By that reckoning you'd have kept DU till the end of the season.

Fans aren't stupid, they say what they see and will cheer when it's good and give flak when it isn't.

 

Do read some of the stuff on here?

[AndyB2]

26 minutes ago, Guy Branston Pickle said:

If they were just booing at the end of games I'd understand, but some of the vitriol and abuse of players and managers I've heard the last couple of years goes way beyond criticism. Shelton was getting booed whilst being subbed on during games that we were winning not that long ago, as an example. Top support that.

Isolated example. Our fans are not unreasonable. Players deserve what they get on whole 

[Guy Branston Pickle]

Just now, AndyB2 said:

Isolated example. Our fans are not unreasonable. Players deserve what they get on whole 

Not an isolated incident by a long, long way

[League one forever]

6 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

If a business has been underfunded and mismanaged for a decade or 2, you don’t turn it around in less than 2 years just with good intentions and chucking some money at it. It’s not an excuse, it’s just not how business works. At all. 
 

We have new people in pretty much every position. All working together for the first time. Mistakes will happen. It can’t be avoided. Plans will be made and then changed. Take recruitment, our issues could be because the process was wrong last summer. So that could take time to fix properly, who knows? This is all perfectly normal though - it will take time to get the set up of the club working to its best in every department. More time than 2 seasons. 
 

Some people want to respond to adversity by torching everything and everyone and starting from scratch. I might be wrong but I don’t think that’s the way to go for long term health of the club. 

I disagree. 
 

When you wipe a company’s debt, give it multiple new staff and give it a very large cheque to move forward with - you want to see that business get results/ make improvements after two years.  What you don’t say is, don’t worry - I don’t expect anything for 5 - 10 years. What you allude to is the micro, what I am talking about is the macro. Recruitment, player profile and age, sell on value, contracts given, youth pathway- we have failed miserably. Furthermore all this ‘normalcy of business’ doesn’t happen at a lot of other clubs. Strange that.
 

You’re going to extremes again to validate your narrative. . . no one is saying torch it all. It’s a lot more simple  than that- and Mellon has started the ball rolling with that interview. 
 

Since Frank came in - the football operation has been and is a mess. Not because of what they inherited, but because they‘ve made poor decisions in the last two years alone. 
 

This is on DR, the board, and Mellon, - not to say sack them- but to say they have done a poor job and it needs addressing asap. As Mellon says some very honest conversations need to happen. 
 

 

 

 

[diggleblue]

Don't hear Halifax fans or Aldershot fans calling for their managers to be sacked after both losing today.Our so called fans need to grow up, drink less before games and support the manager.

[League one forever]

20 minutes ago, spanishfly said:

Well MM has nailed his colours to the mast in that interview. I`ve inherited many players who just aren't good enough. I`ve tried to improve them but they are incapable of improving to the standard I know is required. I know what is required and it's going to need some new players and for some contracted ones to be paid off. Over to you, Board.

 

It's an unusual interview, for sure, but I like it. I like honesty and it's been obvious for a while that the players are not busting a gut for him. It's a bloody critical summer this. I think the owner is going to have to be brave and trust MM in what he is saying. It's going to cost an awful lot more money than ever was anticipated to get us up, that's for sure.

 

Whover appointed DU (someone tells me it was Joe's recommendation not DR's?) AND sanctioned his player choices needs to be held accountable too.

 

 

Agreed, it felt like a watershed moment didn’t it. 
 

He said a lot of stuff there that can’t go back in the bottle. 
 

Don’t know what you think, but it felt to me like he was challenging the board - as if to say, it’s either me or them. Back me or sack me. 

[spanishfly]

2 minutes ago, League one forever said:

Don’t know what you think, but it felt to me like he was challenging the board - as if to say, it’s either me or them. Back me or sack me. 

Yes thought exactly the same. 

[Worcester Owl]

1 hour ago, BP1960 said:

 

Even during that spell he was booed at home matches for his 7 at the back tactics.

Instead of bigging him up you need to ask why he's lost total control of the team?

Fans pay good money to this club and I've no doubt they have been badly let down by the manager and players.

If you were served regular poor meals  in a restaurant would you still praise the chef and hope he improves with a new menu?

We need Gordon Ramsey at this club to tell the board it as it is.

 

 

 

Where on earth in @Gaz_Oafc’s post does he “big up” MM? Lost total control??? I’m sorry BP but you are talking absolute nonsense there.

[nzlatic]

8 minutes ago, League one forever said:

I disagree. 
 

When you wipe a company’s debt, give it multiple new staff and give it a very large cheque to move forward with - you want to see that business get results/ make improvements after two years.  What you don’t say is, don’t worry - I don’t expect anything for 5 - 10 years. What you allude to is the micro, what I am talking about is the macro. Recruitment, player profile and age, sell on value, contracts given, youth pathway- we have failed miserably. Furthermore all this ‘normalcy of business’ doesn’t happen at a lot of other clubs. Strange that.
 

You’re going to extremes again to validate your narrative. . . no one is saying torch it all. It’s a lot more simple  than that- and Mellon has started the ball rolling with that interview. 
 

Since Frank came in - the football operation has been and is a mess. Not because of what they inherited, but because they‘ve made poor decisions in the last two years alone. 
 

This is on DR, the board, and Mellon, - not to say sack them- but to say they have done a poor job and it needs addressing asap. As Mellon says some very honest conversations need to happen. 
 

 

 

 

Jesus. Where did I say that?! And I’m the one supposedly going to extremes!

 

You aren’t involved in the business but yet you’re talking as if you’ve got full visibility of every facet of the business, it’s targets and it’s success/failures. Whereas in reality you’re looking solely at what is happening on the pitch. 
 

And yes the past almost certainly has an impact on footballing matters even after Frank came in. Our reputation for how we dealt with agents or other clubs for example, our reputation with players for not paying them. A new owner just doesn’t wipe all those things away immediately, it takes time to turn around. Our non existent scouting network. The facilities we could offer players. Our coaching infrastructure. All these things needed building from the ground up. You don’t get every decision on that journey right. 
 

The football side of things need improving. What has gone wrong has to be understood and put right. Processes need to be improved. Personnel may need to change. But to say that what happened in the past has no lasting impact is nonsense. The same can be applied to Mellon. He’s had 6 months and made a few signings so the failure to reach the play offs is on his shoulders alone and so he needs sacking? I don’t agree. 

[oafcmb]

45 minutes ago, diggleblue said:

Don't hear Halifax fans or Aldershot fans calling for their managers to be sacked after both losing today.Our so called fans need to grow up, drink less before games and support the manager.

They dont have any 

[hollandspies]

1 hour ago, Fervid said:

The blame firmly sits at Darren Royles door, simples. 
He’s had a free ride by most up until now but questions need asked. 

As leader of the management team hierarchy, Darren should stand up and be counted. 
He shouldn’t be exempt from a Q & A at the next fans forum. 

Frank, Darren and Mickey should give our supporters some of their time.

The meat and potato pie supper is pretty decent to be fair. 

[Littlemoor Lad]

1 hour ago, nzlatic said:

Stop what? Saying Mellon should be given time or criticising fans who are trying to hound Norwood out?

There's plenty of striker's doing far better in this league on far less money than Norwood but saying that, could Mellon get the same out of them?

 

 

 

[Gentleman]

Don't mind the interview so much as he's clearly hurting but what sticks in my mind - and has cropped up a few times since he's been appointed - is his own lack of diligence in taking the role/ownership of the team.

 

He mentions his second game Vs Fylde and I distinctly remember being dumfounded by the lineup and the inability to change the game in our favour after a poor start. I thought to myself at the time that he mustn't have watched any of our games back before taking the job as he paired players that had not worked multiple times before. One of the reasons I was fairly keen to keep Thompson was he'd lived through the Unsworth era so knew the shortcomings and what would need to be done over the coming months. 

 

The first few weeks of Mellon saw several infuriating lineups in the name of getting to know a player's worth and who he could trust. We've reached the back end of the season and his answer is now "none of them". I can fully understand the way he's gone about certain things but each big decision he's made (banishing Reid, loaning out players, recruitment positions, square peg players to manage games) has ultimately meant we've come up short whilst playing some truly awful football. It's not just the league games, we've been thoroughly embarrassed in the cups too.

 

Can see arguments for keeping him or getting rid but either way there needs to be an investigation into why it's gone so wrong across footballing operations at the club. When you look how Southend/Solihull started the season and how the likes of Gateshead have adapted to a gutting of talent halfway through, it's just embarrassing how scattergun and wasteful we are.

 

My season ticket price is at least a third of a banished player's weekly wage. York aside, how many other clubs at this level would carry that?

 

 

[Worcester Owl]

13 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

Jesus. Where did I say that?! And I’m the one supposedly going to extremes!

 

You aren’t involved in the business but yet you’re talking as if you’ve got full visibility of every facet of the business, it’s targets and it’s success/failures. Whereas in reality you’re looking solely at what is happening on the pitch. 
 

And yes the past almost certainly has an impact on footballing matters even after Frank came in. Our reputation for how we dealt with agents or other clubs for example, our reputation with players for not paying them. A new owner just doesn’t wipe all those things away immediately, it takes time to turn around. Our non existent scouting network. The facilities we could offer players. Our coaching infrastructure. All these things needed building from the ground up. You don’t get every decision on that journey right. 
 

The football side of things need improving. What has gone wrong has to be understood and put right. Processes need to be improved. Personnel may need to change. But to say that what happened in the past has no lasting impact is nonsense. The same can be applied to Mellon. He’s had 6 months and made a few signings so the failure to reach the play offs is on his shoulders alone and so he needs sacking? I don’t agree. 

Excellent, common sense post. I would double upvote it if I could.

[yarddog73]

If you've not seen Mellon post match he's effectively agreeing with 90% of what fans on here have been suggesting the past six months and that is 'YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD".

[Londonboy]

I genuinely don't know where we go from here??

Stick with a manager who clearly sounds like he thinks we have another painful journey ahead next season, and has been lost over the last 10.games 

Twist and go again with someone new who will still inherit our bunch of frauds who arn't good enough.... but may have a different view on how we play 

 

Bloody depressing init.