Dave_Og Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 16 minutes ago, Boyyou said: Blackburn English champions 3 times,FA Cup winners 6 times, Burnley founder members of the league, won the title and FA Cup, Blackpool FA Cup winners, etc, etc. These famous old clubs were winning things when we were Div 4. Never forget your history, as some so casually do Of all the Lancashire clubs I'd say Rochdale are the only one that doesn't beat us hands down on overall history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggleblue Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 21 minutes ago, Boyyou said: Blackburn English champions 3 times,FA Cup winners 6 times, Burnley founder members of the league, won the title and FA Cup, Blackpool FA Cup winners, etc, etc. These famous old clubs were winning things when we were Div 4. Never forget your history, as some so casually do Memory is for strangers History is for fools( pink floyd - perfect sense) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 (edited) 10 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Of all the Lancashire clubs I'd say Rochdale are the only one that doesn't beat us hands down on overall history. Id say we have a bigger history than Accrington Stanley and Feetwood too do Fylde count? Edited September 7 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 32 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Id say we have a bigger history than Accrington Stanley amd Feetwood too do Fylde count? Fair shout on Accy. I can't say I'd even considered the others! Let's say of traditional FL clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 2 hours ago, Littlemoor Lad said: If someone in the street says to me that Blackpool, Preston, Burnley, Blackburn, Wigan, Stockport, Wrexham are bigger club's than Oldham I still wouldn't have any of it and why? Because I was around when none of them had a pot to piss in, with grounds falling apart. Never forget your history, as some so casually do The reason you give for us being a bigger club than Blackburn could be used to argue Salford is a bigger club than us now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 50 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Fair shout on Accy. I can't say I'd even considered the others! Let's say of traditional FL clubs Accy will always have that milk advert.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 3 hours ago, Londonboy said: I think if we were challenging in the top 3/4 by Christmas and playing some good stuff at home, we could regularly get 7000 home fans which is pretty remakable in the NL and with our track record and the attractivness of most fixtures. Probably be around that. The Kidderminster game last season shows we do have a sleeping support (which I didn't think we did, to be honest..), but I don't think we'd get that sort of number regularly. You'd expect a few of those to come regularly if we were good to bridge the gap between the 5k we get now and the 7k.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 2 hours ago, Littlemoor Lad said: If someone in the street says to me that Blackpool, Preston, Burnley, Blackburn, Wigan, Stockport, Wrexham are bigger club's than Oldham I still wouldn't have any of it and why? Because I was around when none of them had a pot to piss in, with grounds falling apart. Never forget your history, as some so casually do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 3 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: Yet in 5 attempts of playing Altrincham in the National League we are yet to beat them. Yes we are bigger club than Altrincham and our expectations should be to do better but let's not lose sight of where we are. Yes keep beating us down and that's where we'll stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 31 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Yes keep beating us down and that's where we'll stay Nailed it that's exactly what I'm doing beating us down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 I take it that there are no rumours then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 1 minute ago, GlossopLatic said: Nailed it that's exactly what I'm doing beating us down I'm sick of all our fans reminding us of how shit we are, it's a mentality that runs through the fanbase. Winners rarely need reminding of where they are but where they are going, if you think you're going to fall over you invariably will. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 (edited) 39 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: I'm sick of all our fans reminding us of how shit we are, it's a mentality that runs through the fanbase. Winners rarely need reminding of where they are but where they are going, if you think you're going to fall over you invariably will. I'm pretty sure you were telling us you were going to throw in the towel at the end of last season and not going to renew your season ticket how's that a winning mentality? First stage of winning is accepting where you are and what you need to do to get to where you want to go. We have a much better chance of getting promotion this season than the other 2 seasons but we will need to be more clinical in the final third. What isn't a winning mentality is believing we are too big to play against teams the likes of Altrincham when we are yet to beat them in the league in 5 attempts that's not a winning mentality that's entitlement theirs a big difference. The same mentality that turns on the team if we go 2-0 down tomorrow after 30 minutes. If that happens tomorrow what we going to do? are we going to get behind the team or are we going to play the victim about being cursed. Winners don't just think they are better than the competition they go and prove it. We are yet to do that but it doesnt mean this season cant be different. We've taken 1 point from 12 against Halifax it's time we changed that on Tuesday. We are a National League team but we don't have to be one forever if we get right things we will give ourselves a great chance of promotion this season that's being a realist. Edited September 6 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 We are a promotion away from a right attendance boom IMO. I mean, I’m 38 and all I’ve known is misery and relegation, like many others. Yet we’re still taking 1500 to away games, local or not. Frank came in and we got an attendance boost, simply down to the first bit of positivity the club had experienced in years (helped by ridding us of the biggest of twats that owned us). The risk is how long it takes us to get there. 3 more years of this and could really stagnate. Best case, we get promoted this season and I think you’ll see 7000+ at home. It’s all about momentum. We’ve NEVER had that and we still present decent numbers all things considered. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 9 hours ago, nzlatic said: The reason you give for us being a bigger club than Blackburn could be used to argue Salford is a bigger club than us now. I never saw anything in any of those club's mentioned, back In the mid to late 1970s to suggest they were bigger than us, Rovers definitely weren't because Jack Walker hadn't come along and Salford, who were they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB2 Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 Let’s just start winning some flipping games and see shall we. One step at a time. Get out of this god forsaken division and then the next. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 13 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I'm sick of all our fans reminding us of how shit we are, it's a mentality that runs through the fanbase. Winners rarely need reminding of where they are but where they are going, if you think you're going to fall over you invariably will. 13 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: I'm pretty sure you were telling us you were going to throw in the towel at the end of last season and not going to renew your season ticket how's that a winning mentality? First stage of winning is accepting where you are and what you need to do to get to where you want to go. We have a much better chance of getting promotion this season than the other 2 seasons but we will need to be more clinical in the final third. What isn't a winning mentality is believing we are too big to play against teams the likes of Altrincham when we are yet to beat them in the league in 5 attempts that's not a winning mentality that's entitlement theirs a big difference. The same mentality that turns on the team if we go 2-0 down tomorrow after 30 minutes. If that happens tomorrow what we going to do? are we going to get behind the team or are we going to play the victim about being cursed. Winners don't just think they are better than the competition they go and prove it. We are yet to do that but it doesnt mean this season cant be different. We've taken 1 point from 12 against Halifax it's time we changed that on Tuesday. We are a National League team but we don't have to be one forever if we get right things we will give ourselves a great chance of promotion this season that's being a realist. Maybe both points of view hold water... We shouldn't expect to beat anyone because we are where we are. But also we are where we are through bad ownership and it's a disgrace that we're in this division...because we're bigger and should be better than it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 18 hours ago, Littlemoor Lad said: If someone in the street says to me that Blackpool, Preston, Burnley, Blackburn, Wigan, Stockport, Wrexham are bigger club's than Oldham I still wouldn't have any of it and why? Because I was around when none of them had a pot to piss in, with grounds falling apart. Never forget your history, as some so casually do Stockport and Wrexham are not bigger clubs than Oldham. Despite all their additional money they are unlikely to reach that level. To be a bigger club than us, you need to have won a major English Trophy. They are unlikely to ever do that. Wrexham haven't even played in the top flight, and OK they've played in Europe but only by virtue of winning the equivalent of a group of the EFL Trophy due to where the Welsh clubs were at the time. Stockport haven't played in the top flight either. Wrexham and Stockport might be a better club now but in my lifetime we've been 3 divisions above both. However, the other 5 I have to give credit to, begrudgingly in Wigan's case. They've won a major English Trophy they are bigger than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 5 minutes ago, rudemedic said: However, the other 5 I have to give credit to, begrudgingly in Wigan's case. They've won a major English Trophy they are bigger than us. Add Bury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 1 hour ago, rudemedic said: Stockport and Wrexham are not bigger clubs than Oldham. Despite all their additional money they are unlikely to reach that level. To be a bigger club than us, you need to have won a major English Trophy. They are unlikely to ever do that. Wrexham haven't even played in the top flight, and OK they've played in Europe but only by virtue of winning the equivalent of a group of the EFL Trophy due to where the Welsh clubs were at the time. Stockport haven't played in the top flight either. Wrexham and Stockport might be a better club now but in my lifetime we've been 3 divisions above both. However, the other 5 I have to give credit to, begrudgingly in Wigan's case. They've won a major English Trophy they are bigger than us. The first line, I couldn't agree more and Welsh club's shouldn't be allowed to play in our leagues, maybe they should invite them to Scotland to enrich theirs. Again, Wigan weren't a bigger club than us until Whelan came along and their Springfield park ground was falling to pieces around them. Serious money is the only thing that's created the gulf. I didn't include Bolton in my initial list because they were bigger than us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 20 minutes ago, Littlemoor Lad said: The first line, I couldn't agree more and Welsh club's shouldn't be allowed to play in our leagues, maybe they should invite them to Scotland to enrich theirs. Again, Wigan weren't a bigger club than us until Whelan came along and their Springfield park ground was falling to pieces around them. Serious money is the only thing that's created the gulf. I didn't include Bolton in my initial list because they were bigger than us But you seriously suggested Blackburn weren't? That's delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 24 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: But you seriously suggested Blackburn weren't? That's delusional. When I first attended in the 80's Blackburn I'd say were about the same size and probably our main rivals, once Walker stepped in he took them to another level, still we shared the PL with them for a couple of seasons in it's inception. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 40 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: But you seriously suggested Blackburn weren't? That's delusional. I'm talking about the Brotherston, Fazackerley, Garner Blackburn not the Sutton, Shearer Blackburn. The former was on par at best 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 1 hour ago, Littlemoor Lad said: I'm talking about the Brotherston, Fazackerley, Garner Blackburn not the Sutton, Shearer Blackburn. The former was on par at best You're talking about a club, not a moment in time. There's no measure on which we are bigger, none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 2 hours ago, Littlemoor Lad said: I'm talking about the Brotherston, Fazackerley, Garner Blackburn not the Sutton, Shearer Blackburn. The former was on par at best Blackburn have won 6 fa cups and the top division 3 times....how are we a bigger club than them?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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