Littlemoor Lad Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 3 hours ago, Londonboy said: Blackburn have won 6 fa cups and the top division 3 times....how are we a bigger club than them?? Never said we were bigger but definitely of the same level in the mid to late 1970s but then we were with Burnley and Blackpool in league two 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 40 minutes ago, Littlemoor Lad said: Never said we were bigger but definitely of the same level in the mid to late 1970s but then we were with Burnley and Blackpool in league two Possibly the most bizarre debate I've seen. Yes there were periods when we were better than Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton, Preston, Blackpool but out overall record would barely register on the history of any of them. And the thing that their level of history gets you is the level of fanbase which we simply don't have, never have had and in all probability never will have. Any other conclusions is bonkers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 9 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Possibly the most bizarre debate I've seen. Yes there were periods when we were better than Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton, Preston, Blackpool but out overall record would barely register on the history of any of them. And the thing that their level of history gets you is the level of fanbase which we simply don't have, never have had and in all probability never will have. Any other conclusions is bonkers. There you have it The pennies finally dropped. As I look in league one and two, it's filled with smaller clubs than us, that's another debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 12 minutes ago, Littlemoor Lad said: There you have it The pennies finally dropped. As I look in league one and two, it's filled with smaller clubs than us, that's another debate Well I’m still confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 7 minutes ago, Pidge said: Well I’m still confused! Others clubs sizes are judged at a point in time where they aren’t doing well, ignoring success in the past. Our club’s size is judged on past success, not where we are now. And this is fair. Hope that helps!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 41 minutes ago, Littlemoor Lad said: There you have it The pennies finally dropped. As I look in league one and two, it's filled with smaller clubs than us, that's another debate Your logic is all over the place one hand you are putting us level with Blackburn because we were on a par with them in the 80s but on the other hand you are saying we are bigger than both Stockport and Wrexham who are now 50 places ahead of us in the football pyramid and now getting double our gates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 38 minutes ago, Pidge said: Well I’m still confused! Glad it's not just me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmb Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Littlemoor Lad said: There you have it The pennies finally dropped. As I look in league one and two, it's filled with smaller clubs than us, that's another debate Means nothing though we wont see the EFL again Edited September 8 by oafcmb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 36 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Others clubs sizes are judged at a point in time where they aren’t doing well, ignoring success in the past. Our club’s size is judged on past success, not where we are now. And this is fair. Hope that helps!! Ahhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 22 minutes ago, oafcmb said: Means nothing though we wont see the EFL again That's the spirit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) Going back to the transfer debate we will struggle now to bring anyone in and will probably have to pay over the odds if we do want to secure a players services. Recruitment still needs an overhaul as we have some glaring holes in the squad particularly in the attacking third of the pitch, we've obviously got budget yet are sat with a squad which will likely come up short, chasing players who are unavailable or retired is amateurish at best. I'm hoping Norwood is okay and Charsley is not too serious as losing them two would be massive early on. I think Hammond has been unlucky this season, he started both our victories alongside Charsley but has since been frozen out and didn't even make the 16 yesterday, since dropped we've picked up 4 points in 15, I know he's not quite the finished article yet but he'd offer more in the press than players like Kay, Gardner, Conlon, Dolan who've all been tried there and was an important foil further up the pitch for Charsley, Dolan for instance yesterday just cruised through the game and just won't graft off the ball for the team, couldn't be arsed to press and passed it relentlessly sideways and backwards, when you have three of your four midfielders having such a negative impact on the game it just leaves your striker isolated and we look no better than last season. I've a feeling the board will keep their powder dry now because moving Mellon out may cost money, I'm not a fan of that but if we don't change the habit of losing and drawing they'll have no other option, he's damaged the attendances on the back of his late season rants and the patience he and the team are being shown I'm sure will evaporate, this environment he made up where teams take advantage of the home crowd turning doesn't exist anymore yet we can't even buy a win let alone take the lead in an home fixture, 3 points from 9 at home is probably relegation form. Huge two away games coming up this week and I think we possibly need to somehow find two wins, a couple of draws would probably see us in to the bottom half and then the alarm bells will truly start ringing. I'm not a big fan of looking back but Mellon's teams have shown signs of this before and he was unable to reverse the trend, back end of last season we showed similar form winning none, drawing seven and losing four of out last eleven games (0.65ppg) which is in line with what we've produced the last five games (0.80ppg) so somethings got to give and sharpish, I'm not really arsed about getting beat if we can find a way to win half of our drawn games. Last 18 games would get any manager the sack other than Mellon and I think the fans who remain have been more than patient having witnessed just 2 wins 11 draws and 5 defeats from our last 18 fixtures. Performances won't count for nothing if that trend continues. Edited September 8 by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyyou Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Hammond is away with Wales under-21s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Main commentator on Radio Manchester yesterday said that Mellon had told him pre-match that he's spent a lot of money in the forwards area already and is happy with what he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Give Altrincham 50 grand for their keeper... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 53 minutes ago, Gaz_Oafc said: Main commentator on Radio Manchester yesterday said that Mellon had told him pre-match that he's spent a lot of money in the forwards area already and is happy with what he's got. He’s admitted trying to sign Smith & Stones so that is complete bollocks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Going back to the transfer debate we will struggle now to bring anyone in and will probably have to pay over the odds if we do want to secure a players services. Recruitment still needs an overhaul as we have some glaring holes in the squad particularly in the attacking third of the pitch, we've obviously got budget yet are sat with a squad which will likely come up short, chasing players who are unavailable or retired is amateurish at best. I'm hoping Norwood is okay and Charsley is not too serious as losing them two would be massive early on. I think Hammond has been unlucky this season, he started both our victories alongside Charsley but has since been frozen out and didn't even make the 16 yesterday, since dropped we've picked up 4 points in 15, I know he's not quite the finished article yet but he'd offer more in the press than players like Kay, Gardner, Conlon, Dolan who've all been tried there and was an important foil further up the pitch for Charsley, Dolan for instance yesterday just cruised through the game and just won't graft off the ball for the team, couldn't be arsed to press and passed it relentlessly sideways and backwards, when you have three of your four midfielders having such a negative impact on the game it just leaves your striker isolated and we look no better than last season. I've a feeling the board will keep their powder dry now because moving Mellon out may cost money, I'm not a fan of that but if we don't change the habit of losing and drawing they'll have no other option, he's damaged the attendances on the back of his late season rants and the patience he and the team are being shown I'm sure will evaporate, this environment he made up where teams take advantage of the home crowd turning doesn't exist anymore yet we can't even buy a win let alone take the lead in an home fixture, 3 points from 9 at home is probably relegation form. Huge two away games coming up this week and I think we possibly need to somehow find two wins, a couple of draws would probably see us in to the bottom half and then the alarm bells will truly start ringing. I'm not a big fan of looking back but Mellon's teams have shown signs of this before and he was unable to reverse the trend, back end of last season we showed similar form winning none, drawing seven and losing four of out last eleven games (0.65ppg) which is in line with what we've produced the last five games (0.80ppg) so somethings got to give and sharpish, I'm not really arsed about getting beat if we can find a way to win half of our drawn games. Last 18 games would get any manager the sack other than Mellon and I think the fans who remain have been more than patient having witnessed just 2 wins 11 draws and 5 defeats from our last 18 fixtures. Performances won't count for nothing if that trend continues. Those stats are quite shocking aren’t they and they seem to be continuing with the new improved squad. simple fact is goals win games and our goals return bar Braintree is shocking. That said I think a couple of adjustments up top and in the middle might get us firing into some form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 29 minutes ago, True Tic said: Those stats are quite shocking aren’t they and they seem to be continuing with the new improved squad. simple fact is goals win games and our goals return bar Braintree is shocking. That said I think a couple of adjustments up top and in the middle might get us firing into some form. We've scored 17 goals in 18 games so something needs to click soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 2 hours ago, oafc1955 said: He’s admitted trying to sign Smith & Stones so that is complete bollocks!! Exactly he won’t even put Reid on the bench now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penrhyn Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 4 hours ago, Gaz_Oafc said: Main commentator on Radio Manchester yesterday said that Mellon had told him pre-match that he's spent a lot of money in the forwards area already and is happy with what he's got. Thats bollocks all our forwards were Unsworth signings . I am so for giving him time to get it right and see signs of improvement . But we need another forward or find a better way to make use of the ones we have .And a tough tackling midfielder with legs wouldnt go a miss . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenbaltipie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 1 hour ago, penrhyn said: Thats bollocks all our forwards were Unsworth signings . I am so for giving him time to get it right and see signs of improvement . But we need another forward or find a better way to make use of the ones we have .And a tough tackling midfielder with legs wouldnt go a miss . Strikers maybe, but not forwards. Charsley, Khan, Kay, Uche, Dolan and Garner were all brought in on Mellons watch. We need an out and out striker, or someone with serious quality in a no.10 role like Haughton whos prolific at this level imo, but not many like him about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenbaltipie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 5 hours ago, oafc1955 said: He’s admitted trying to sign Smith & Stones so that is complete bollocks!! Target Smith and Stones and now we will be lucky to get Smith and Jones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 I think it's safe to assume there isn't much budget left for Mellon to recruit the calibre of player he requires. He's not going to throw the board under the bus by actually admitting that and people will point out we were in for Smith and Stones but since we failed to get Smith we signed Caprice and after the Stones debacle we signed Khan. We may well pick up a loan signing or 2 short term with us making little contribution in the way of wages but apart from that I think we will have to make do with what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggleblue Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 14 minutes ago, PeteG said: I think it's safe to assume there isn't much budget left for Mellon to recruit the calibre of player he requires. He's not going to throw the board under the bus by actually admitting that and people will point out we were in for Smith and Stones but since we failed to get Smith we signed Caprice and after the Stones debacle we signed Khan. We may well pick up a loan signing or 2 short term with us making little contribution in the way of wages but apart from that I think we will have to make do with what we have. Unlike Rochdale who have signed another young striker on loan which is exactly what we should have done. They're on fire at the moment unlike us. Never thought Rochdale might make the automatic promotion slot but........ Will be interesting to see if youth beats ageing players.I know what I would prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penrhyn Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 38 minutes ago, PeteG said: I think it's safe to assume there isn't much budget left for Mellon to recruit the calibre of player he requires. He's not going to throw the board under the bus by actually admitting that and people will point out we were in for Smith and Stones but since we failed to get Smith we signed Caprice and after the Stones debacle we signed Khan. We may well pick up a loan signing or 2 short term with us making little contribution in the way of wages but apart from that I think we will have to make do with what we have. Think the Khan deal was waiting for John Willie lees to sign up so possibly would not affect any Stones deal maybe ? Also thinking that Smith would have commanded more of a wage so there may still be a bit of wriggle room. Even so the recruitment while massively improved is still a bit concerning . And by that I mean the players signed so far have all done ok and made improvements . But what I am concerned about is the strategy, the plan off how we are going to play with the new recruits . We cant be serious about challenging the top spots and only play one up front we dont move the ball quick enough to play that way . And as good as Norwood is he cant play the lone role up front with so little support. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtic1975 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Why can we not bring back young matty warhurst from m city he's young and going to want to be playing football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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