Monty Burns Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 27 minutes ago, philliggi said: Ive gotta question if we need so many attacking players who are not out and out goalscorers. For me only charsley is a guaranteed starter from any of our forward thinking players. Fondop Norwood Khan Stretton Drummond Hammond Lundstram Garner None have really proven themselves this year enough to cement a spot. Id love them to step up and prove me wrong but we seem to have a squad full of squad players, in an attacking sense at least, rather than league winners. troll 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 28 minutes ago, philliggi said: Ive gotta question if we need so many attacking players who are not out and out goalscorers. For me only charsley is a guaranteed starter from any of our forward thinking players. Fondop Norwood Khan Stretton Drummond Hammond Lundstram Garner None have really proven themselves this year enough to cement a spot. Id love them to step up and prove me wrong but we seem to have a squad full of squad players, in an attacking sense at least, rather than league winners. Seven goals from Fondop. What more is wanted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 32 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: Lundy's certainly upped his game this season. He has, but im not sure he has made the position his own like monthe and raglan have at centre back for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 9 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Seven goals from Fondop. What more is wanted? Fondops done well, but hes also missed more than hes scored. There is a reasonable argument that hes not cemented his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 52 minutes ago, philliggi said: Ive gotta question if we need so many attacking players who are not out and out goalscorers. For me only charsley is a guaranteed starter from any of our forward thinking players. Fondop Norwood Khan Stretton Drummond Hammond Lundstram Garner None have really proven themselves this year enough to cement a spot. Id love them to step up and prove me wrong but we seem to have a squad full of squad players, in an attacking sense at least, rather than league winners. Eh? Drummond? He's only just arrived. Lundstrum appears to be improving and Fondop's seven goals speak for themselves. Don't agree with you about Hammond, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 26 minutes ago, philliggi said: Fondops done well, but hes also missed more than hes scored. There is a reasonable argument that hes not cemented his place. Fifth division striker misses more than he scores but still scores seven before mid-October. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 26 minutes ago, Wardie said: Eh? Drummond? He's only just arrived. Lundstrum appears to be improving and Fondop's seven goals speak for themselves. Don't agree with you about Hammond, either. Drummond has potential as does hammond and lundstram is improving but no one can confidently say to me they can pick our best front 6 when all are fit. Im not knocking any of them. All are worthy of squad places, unlike some of the shite we have had in recent years but do you hear other teams fearing our attacking options like we have looked at chris conn clarke, ryan colclough, elliott lee, paul mullin, mccauley langstaff, paul McCallum? All the promoted teams have attacking players other clubs fear and we just dont have that. Thats all im saying. We are good, but just not exceptional for the level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 10 hours ago, philliggi said: Drummond has potential as does hammond and lundstram is improving but no one can confidently say to me they can pick our best front 6 when all are fit. Im not knocking any of them. All are worthy of squad places, unlike some of the shite we have had in recent years but do you hear other teams fearing our attacking options like we have looked at chris conn clarke, ryan colclough, elliott lee, paul mullin, mccauley langstaff, paul McCallum? All the promoted teams have attacking players other clubs fear and we just dont have that. Thats all im saying. We are good, but just not exceptional for the level. I'll guarantee other teams fear our forward six when they look at whose starting and that's before you look at the depth we can normally name on the bench. We've suffered this season as three first choice forwards have picked up serious injuries, it probably wasn't the plan to go with Fondop but we've had to and he's given a fair return and put in some decent performances, as a result of the injuries we've had no choice but to dip in to the loan market so the players available now looks inflated. I suspect by January that group will be trimmed down to who Mellon wants to work with, competition is fierce and the forward players now know if they don't perform they'll lose their position as evidenced by Khan, Hammond, Garner, Norwood all being dropped in recent weeks after sub standard showings, Mellon still hasn't found the key yet as far as I'm concerned but some players are putting in strong claims for starting berths but are still well aware there's someone ready to step in if standards drop. We currently have cover in every area and that creates healthy competition, we are going to need 20 players to get out of this division and they can all play their part as evidenced by Sutton who was arguably 20th in the pecking order yet came in and put in a man of the match performance on Saturday, that's the strength we have that others fear and we are now unpredictable and hard to set up against. Fair play to Will by the way, talk about taking your opportunity and character, I never doubted him like others on here and finally he's had a start in his favoured position, playing all those games in an unfamiliar wing back role seems to have added something to his game on the right of a back three and for me if he carries on like that he'll become a real asset both to the team and financially. Only sticky area for me now is in the holding midfield role, we've tried a two in there and also Conlon on his own but it's not really clicked as yet, partly I feel because we've not quite seen the best of Conlon yet, a lot of the goals we concede come through this area and teams are now driving at us in this area of the pitch, just waltzing unchallenged through us at times. I'm probably a bit harsh on Conlon as I was on Lundstrum and that's mainly because I know they are better than what they've shown, if it does click for Conlon in the coming weeks we'll have some team but for me he needs legs around him as he's not the most mobile, he seems to play better with Gardner alongside but that can't be relied upon, Charsley has also been a huge miss and I'm hoping his latest setback isn't too serious. I'm happy with our squad now, the pace we've missed in the forward line is now there and we can set up in a variety of ways against different teams knowing we'll have as strong a bench as anyone to impact a game. If we had budget available I'd be looking towards a player like Matty Palmer at Notts County who could play alongside Conlon and compliment our midfield. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 1 hour ago, yarddog73 said: If we had budget available I'd be looking towards a player like Matty Palmer at Notts County who could play alongside Conlon and compliment our midfield. Who's played in all bar one of their league games this season and started the last six? Realistic target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I'll guarantee other teams fear our forward six when they look at whose starting and that's before you look at the depth we can normally name on the bench. We've suffered this season as three first choice forwards have picked up serious injuries, it probably wasn't the plan to go with Fondop but we've had to and he's given a fair return and put in some decent performances, as a result of the injuries we've had no choice but to dip in to the loan market so the players available now looks inflated. I suspect by January that group will be trimmed down to who Mellon wants to work with, competition is fierce and the forward players now know if they don't perform they'll lose their position as evidenced by Khan, Hammond, Garner, Norwood all being dropped in recent weeks after sub standard showings, Mellon still hasn't found the key yet as far as I'm concerned but some players are putting in strong claims for starting berths but are still well aware there's someone ready to step in if standards drop. We currently have cover in every area and that creates healthy competition, we are going to need 20 players to get out of this division and they can all play their part as evidenced by Sutton who was arguably 20th in the pecking order yet came in and put in a man of the match performance on Saturday, that's the strength we have that others fear and we are now unpredictable and hard to set up against. Fair play to Will by the way, talk about taking your opportunity and character, I never doubted him like others on here and finally he's had a start in his favoured position, playing all those games in an unfamiliar wing back role seems to have added something to his game on the right of a back three and for me if he carries on like that he'll become a real asset both to the team and financially. Only sticky area for me now is in the holding midfield role, we've tried a two in there and also Conlon on his own but it's not really clicked as yet, partly I feel because we've not quite seen the best of Conlon yet, a lot of the goals we concede come through this area and teams are now driving at us in this area of the pitch, just waltzing unchallenged through us at times. I'm probably a bit harsh on Conlon as I was on Lundstrum and that's mainly because I know they are better than what they've shown, if it does click for Conlon in the coming weeks we'll have some team but for me he needs legs around him as he's not the most mobile, he seems to play better with Gardner alongside but that can't be relied upon, Charsley has also been a huge miss and I'm hoping his latest setback isn't too serious. I'm happy with our squad now, the pace we've missed in the forward line is now there and we can set up in a variety of ways against different teams knowing we'll have as strong a bench as anyone to impact a game. If we had budget available I'd be looking towards a player like Matty Palmer at Notts County who could play alongside Conlon and compliment our midfield. I think Khan has been played in a central midfield position where needs must, same with Kay. Both are very good wide men. Even more difficult for them now we are playing wing backs. It's a similar situation to Sutton who we are now seeing the best of in his correct position. I was laughed at by some when I said he'd eventually play in the EFL, but I've no doubt he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel latic Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 41 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: Who's played in all bar one of their league games this season and started the last six? Realistic target? Tbf, does say a player like Matty Palmer. I do think that kind of combative midfielder with a decent passing range feels like the missing piece of the jigsaw. Maybe it will fit into place with the players we already have but with the recent addition of pace it would seem to be the most glaring omission from the current squad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 1 hour ago, oafcmetty said: Who's played in all bar one of their league games this season and started the last six? Realistic target? Plus he's their Captain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I'll guarantee other teams fear our forward six when they look at whose starting and that's before you look at the depth we can normally name on the bench. We've suffered this season as three first choice forwards have picked up serious injuries, it probably wasn't the plan to go with Fondop but we've had to and he's given a fair return and put in some decent performances, as a result of the injuries we've had no choice but to dip in to the loan market so the players available now looks inflated. I suspect by January that group will be trimmed down to who Mellon wants to work with, competition is fierce and the forward players now know if they don't perform they'll lose their position as evidenced by Khan, Hammond, Garner, Norwood all being dropped in recent weeks after sub standard showings, Mellon still hasn't found the key yet as far as I'm concerned but some players are putting in strong claims for starting berths but are still well aware there's someone ready to step in if standards drop. We currently have cover in every area and that creates healthy competition, we are going to need 20 players to get out of this division and they can all play their part as evidenced by Sutton who was arguably 20th in the pecking order yet came in and put in a man of the match performance on Saturday, that's the strength we have that others fear and we are now unpredictable and hard to set up against. Fair play to Will by the way, talk about taking your opportunity and character, I never doubted him like others on here and finally he's had a start in his favoured position, playing all those games in an unfamiliar wing back role seems to have added something to his game on the right of a back three and for me if he carries on like that he'll become a real asset both to the team and financially. Only sticky area for me now is in the holding midfield role, we've tried a two in there and also Conlon on his own but it's not really clicked as yet, partly I feel because we've not quite seen the best of Conlon yet, a lot of the goals we concede come through this area and teams are now driving at us in this area of the pitch, just waltzing unchallenged through us at times. I'm probably a bit harsh on Conlon as I was on Lundstrum and that's mainly because I know they are better than what they've shown, if it does click for Conlon in the coming weeks we'll have some team but for me he needs legs around him as he's not the most mobile, he seems to play better with Gardner alongside but that can't be relied upon, Charsley has also been a huge miss and I'm hoping his latest setback isn't too serious. I'm happy with our squad now, the pace we've missed in the forward line is now there and we can set up in a variety of ways against different teams knowing we'll have as strong a bench as anyone to impact a game. If we had budget available I'd be looking towards a player like Matty Palmer at Notts County who could play alongside Conlon and compliment our midfield. There's a far better Midfielder starts alongside him Dan Crowley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 41 minutes ago, BP1960 said: I think Khan has been played in a central midfield position where needs must, same with Kay. Both are very good wide men. Even more difficult for them now we are playing wing backs. It's a similar situation to Sutton who we are now seeing the best of in his correct position. I was laughed at by some when I said he'd eventually play in the EFL, but I've no doubt he will. Laughed at? Some disagreed certainly, but laughed at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 12 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Laughed at? Some disagreed certainly, but laughed at? Hyperbole ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 35 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: Hyperbole ? Laughed at - hyperbole?. Stop being hyperbolic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 2 hours ago, oafcmetty said: Who's played in all bar one of their league games this season and started the last six? Realistic target? When we go up yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 Kai Payne in on loan from Wigan, not heard of him before so will have to do dome digging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 7 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I'll guarantee other teams fear our forward six when they look at whose starting and that's before you look at the depth we can normally name on the bench. We've suffered this season as three first choice forwards have picked up serious injuries, it probably wasn't the plan to go with Fondop but we've had to and he's given a fair return and put in some decent performances, as a result of the injuries we've had no choice but to dip in to the loan market so the players available now looks inflated. I suspect by January that group will be trimmed down to who Mellon wants to work with, competition is fierce and the forward players now know if they don't perform they'll lose their position as evidenced by Khan, Hammond, Garner, Norwood all being dropped in recent weeks after sub standard showings, Mellon still hasn't found the key yet as far as I'm concerned but some players are putting in strong claims for starting berths but are still well aware there's someone ready to step in if standards drop. We currently have cover in every area and that creates healthy competition, we are going to need 20 players to get out of this division and they can all play their part as evidenced by Sutton who was arguably 20th in the pecking order yet came in and put in a man of the match performance on Saturday, that's the strength we have that others fear and we are now unpredictable and hard to set up against. Fair play to Will by the way, talk about taking your opportunity and character, I never doubted him like others on here and finally he's had a start in his favoured position, playing all those games in an unfamiliar wing back role seems to have added something to his game on the right of a back three and for me if he carries on like that he'll become a real asset both to the team and financially. Only sticky area for me now is in the holding midfield role, we've tried a two in there and also Conlon on his own but it's not really clicked as yet, partly I feel because we've not quite seen the best of Conlon yet, a lot of the goals we concede come through this area and teams are now driving at us in this area of the pitch, just waltzing unchallenged through us at times. I'm probably a bit harsh on Conlon as I was on Lundstrum and that's mainly because I know they are better than what they've shown, if it does click for Conlon in the coming weeks we'll have some team but for me he needs legs around him as he's not the most mobile, he seems to play better with Gardner alongside but that can't be relied upon, Charsley has also been a huge miss and I'm hoping his latest setback isn't too serious. I'm happy with our squad now, the pace we've missed in the forward line is now there and we can set up in a variety of ways against different teams knowing we'll have as strong a bench as anyone to impact a game. If we had budget available I'd be looking towards a player like Matty Palmer at Notts County who could play alongside Conlon and compliment our midfield. Matty Palmer didn’t look great against Chesterfield at the weekend. Conlon is the weak link for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 6 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Kai Payne in on loan from Wigan, not heard of him before so will have to do dome digging. He looks like a more aggressive Dale Stephen’s. He’s also got the kind of physique you expect for a central midfielder. Fuck it, get him in ahead of Conlon. He’d run all over him if they came up against each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel latic Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 7 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Kai Payne in on loan from Wigan, not heard of him before so will have to do dome digging. Described in Suzanne's piece as both "combative" and a "holding midfielder", so what we've been calling for on the other thread. Only 19yo, but let's see what he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmb Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 16 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Kai Payne in on loan from Wigan, not heard of him before so will have to do dome digging. Wigan fans rate him a lot more than Stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 12 minutes ago, b0ndl1ne said: Conlon is the weak link for me. Certainly is in the position he's playing in - doesn't protect the defence or control the midfield. Maybe he's carrying a knock and will improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 Lundstram injury worse than thought ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmb Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 4 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: Lundstram injury worse than thought ? Would go for Charsley. missed the game completely on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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