Hemel latic Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 31 minutes ago, adamoafc said: 2nd in the league for assists. Absolutely deserves a place in the lineup. Please, can we not let facts get in the way of this? He can be frustrating to watch, I imagine his pass completion rate is fairly low but that, at least in part, is because he is ambitious in his passing range and he's nearly always trying to move us forward, or play the killer ball. Given their level of goal involvements it's scary that we could have lost both Fondop and Gardner. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 41 minutes ago, Hemel latic said: Please, can we not let facts get in the way of this? He can be frustrating to watch, I imagine his pass completion rate is fairly low but that, at least in part, is because he is ambitious in his passing range and he's nearly always trying to move us forward, or play the killer ball. Given their level of goal involvements it's scary that we could have lost both Fondop and Gardner. I like Gardner but he can't do the closing down role t hat Charsley. Lundstram or Hammond does and I cringe everytime he looks backwards when passing as he's gifted plenty of chances doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, Hemel latic said: Please, can we not let facts get in the way of this? He can be frustrating to watch, I imagine his pass completion rate is fairly low but that, at least in part, is because he is ambitious in his passing range and he's nearly always trying to move us forward, or play the killer ball. Given their level of goal involvements it's scary that we could have lost both Fondop and Gardner. of all the nonsensical stats that modern football has become obsessed with the completed passes one must be right up there. I dare say that those with access to all the relevant data have enough information to interpret it properly but I doubt if the rest of us care whether two centre backs have played the ball a few dozen times between them while making zero progress up the pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 39 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: I like Gardner but he can't do the closing down role t hat Charsley. Lundstram or Hammond does and I cringe everytime he looks backwards when passing as he's gifted plenty of chances doing this. Gardner would absolutely smash this league but for time catching up with him, He's still got more than enough upstairs as have Garner and Norwood Each need to play their part for what is their last season's at the club. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 47 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: of all the nonsensical stats that modern football has become obsessed with the completed passes one must be right up there. Needs to have a 'while going forwards' suffix to that stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 22 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: Needs to have a 'while going forwards' suffix to that stat. Which I imagine is included in the stats packages that the coaches have access to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 22 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: Needs to have a 'while going forwards' suffix to that stat. 1 minute ago, Dave_Og said: Which I imagine is included in the stats packages that the coaches have access to There will be stats out there for completed forward passes. We don't necessarily need to know how it all works just the people who use it do and aslong as they are using it to make us better then that's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 19 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: There will be stats out there for completed forward passes. We don't necessarily need to know how it all works just the people who use it do and aslong as they are using it to make us better then that's fine. Totally agree - it just gets my goat a little when people who don't have that level of understanding propound stats as if they have and they are some sort of guru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel latic Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 24 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Totally agree - it just gets my goat a little when people who don't have that level of understanding propound stats as if they have and they are some sort of guru Who was doing that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 9 minutes ago, Hemel latic said: Who was doing that then? Nobody in particular - 'blokes down the pub'! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said: There will be stats out there for completed forward passes. We don't necessarily need to know how it all works just the people who use it do and aslong as they are using it to make us better then that's fine. How did teams manage without analysts before the 2000s when no one counted passes or monitored how many miles they had run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 8 minutes ago, BP1960 said: How did teams manage without analysts before the 2000s when no one counted passes or monitored how many miles they had run? I believe it's called progress. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 17 minutes ago, BP1960 said: How did teams manage without analysts before the 2000s when no one counted passes or monitored how many miles they had run? Because they were on a (very muddy) level playing field - not at Boundary Park obviously! Nowadays, marginal advantages matter and they have to try to find them wherever they may exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 27 minutes ago, BP1960 said: How did teams manage without analysts before the 2000s when no one counted passes or monitored how many miles they had run? Because all clubs didn’t have analysts. It’s like saying they don’t need to worry about the weight and specification of an F1 car as they raced them previously. Of course it matters, like someone said the marginal gains have a huge impact when you are talking about high performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: How did teams manage without analysts before the 2000s when no one counted passes or monitored how many miles they had run? Probably in the same way we managed without smartphones, alas here we all are now talking to each other on them. Edited October 15 by GlossopLatic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 34 minutes ago, BP1960 said: How did teams manage without analysts before the 2000s when no one counted passes or monitored how many miles they had run? I'm not entirely sure you're responding like this as a wind up any more Alf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hemel latic said: Please, can we not let facts get in the way of this? He can be frustrating to watch, I imagine his pass completion rate is fairly low but that, at least in part, is because he is ambitious in his passing range and he's nearly always trying to move us forward, or play the killer ball. Given their level of goal involvements it's scary that we could have lost both Fondop and Gardner. same people moan about Gardner are the same people who think theyre making a contribution by conplaining about sideways 'crab' passes. theyre just copying what they have heard and tryna look clever. Edited October 15 by Monty Burns *look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 38 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: same people moan about Gardner are the same people who think theyre making a contribution by conplaining about sideways 'crab' passes. theyre just copying what they have heard and tryna look clever. This is the most successful period for our club since what LJ in 2013 ? I wish people would stop moaning and enjoy it. Bloody Dave on the pod came over like Halifax had spanked us 3-0. Let’s enjoy the wins! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Based on Mellons comments, the following are injured: Hobson, Dolan, Khan, Charsley, Garner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 11 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: Based on Mellons comments, the following are injured: Hobson, Dolan, Khan, Charsley, Garner. Khan isn’t injured. Was the 19th man on Saturday involved with the full warm up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 7 minutes ago, daniel said: Khan isn’t injured. Was the 19th man on Saturday involved with the full warm up. Cheers. I also missed Hammond off the list as he also wasn’t involved. My mate actually watched Wales u21s and Hammond played left wing back, surprisingly. Apparently he looked quite good in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 So Charsley was another victim of that tin pot game against Stoke, thought they were keeping it quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 30 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: So Charsley was another victim of that tin pot game against Stoke, thought they were keeping it quiet. Bigger loss than Hobson if so. Midfield of Conlon, Charsley and Lundstram is more than good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 47 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: So Charsley was another victim of that tin pot game against Stoke, thought they were keeping it quiet. The next one is in between the away games at Tranmere and Barnet. Christ knows what team we'll be forced to play given we're currently down to bare bones apparently. Barnet will be nice and rested though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 58 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: So Charsley was another victim of that tin pot game against Stoke, thought they were keeping it quiet. Did he look injured when he got sent off? Maybe something happened in training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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