LaticMark Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 On 7/15/2024 at 6:18 PM, Monty Burns said: need to get Pep appointed before city are demoted bc he will stay at city when that happens.. According to The Independent that's who the FA want! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 2 hours ago, LaticMark said: According to The Independent that's who the FA want! Interesting. A lot of pundits are saying the next manager must be English, but they seem to ignore the fact that Sarina Wiegman has done a pretty good job with the England women's team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 5 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: Interesting. A lot of pundits are saying the next manager must be English, but they seem to ignore the fact that Sarina Wiegman has done a pretty good job with the England women's team. She has improved them considerably but they're currently as boring to watch as the men's team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 34 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: Interesting. A lot of pundits are saying the next manager must be English, but they seem to ignore the fact that Sarina Wiegman has done a pretty good job with the England women's team. Pep, as a Catalan, supports England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 52 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: Interesting. A lot of pundits are saying the next manager must be English, but they seem to ignore the fact that Sarina Wiegman has done a pretty good job with the England women's team. And said how heartbroken she was when we beat the Netherlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 15 hours ago, Dave_Og said: And said how heartbroken she was when we beat the Netherlands That's fair enough. I'd rather she said that than we lost to them and she celebrated! Edited July 19 by Worcester Owl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 17 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: That's fair enough. I'd rather she said that than we lost to them and she celebrated! I just can't have it that it would be as much to celebrate if we won something with a foreign coach. Defeats the point of international competition for me, or at least diminishes it significantly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 13 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I just can't have it that it would be as much to celebrate if we won something with a foreign coach. Defeats the point of international competition for me, or at least diminishes it significantly. Weird logic that, how are you going to cope if the Scottish Mellon who isn't an Oldham native delivers promotion for the town team or doesn't that count? We've now got players not even born in England turning out for us so I can't see what significance the nationality of the manager should have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 4 hours ago, Dave_Og said: I just can't have it that it would be as much to celebrate if we won something with a foreign coach. Defeats the point of international competition for me, or at least diminishes it significantly. It's the guys on the pitch who win, or lose, tournaments. Sure, the manager has an influence, but once the players step over the touchline it's down to them. If we win the Ashes next time under McCullum, will you not celebrate? If Gattuso had become Latics manager and won promotion, would your joy have been diminished? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 4 hours ago, Dave_Og said: I just can't have it that it would be as much to celebrate if we won something with a foreign coach. Defeats the point of international competition for me, or at least diminishes it significantly. 25 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: It's the guys on the pitch who win, or lose, tournaments. Sure, the manager has an influence, but once the players step over the touchline it's down to them. If we win the Ashes next time under McCullum, will you not celebrate? If Gattuso had become Latics manager and won promotion, would your joy have been diminished? I’m with Worcester in this one - if Latics or England win something I couldn’t care less about the nationality of the manager - we’d have bloody won something! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 5 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Weird logic that, how are you going to cope if the Scottish Mellon who isn't an Oldham native delivers promotion for the town team or doesn't that count? We've now got players not even born in England turning out for us so I can't see what significance the nationality of the manager should have. Club football is completely different. The point of international football is to do the best with what you've got. This wouldn't be that. Yes, I'd celebrate. And, yes, I think it would be less of an achievement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I don’t care who we win it with, Id just be happy to win. But the issue runs deeper, if we didn’t have a load of foreign managers in the premier league we would have a shed load of premier league winning English managers. I suppose the question is are they good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 54 minutes ago, latics22 said: I don’t care who we win it with, Id just be happy to win. But the issue runs deeper, if we didn’t have a load of foreign managers in the premier league we would have a shed load of premier league winning English managers. I suppose the question is are they good enough? They're clearly not good enough. Two major trophies won by English managers in 30 years. One of those was Joe Royle with Everton in 1995! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, Dave_Og said: They're clearly not good enough. Two major trophies won by English managers in 30 years. One of those was Joe Royle with Everton in 1995! Yea but if you only have English managers… they win the prem and fa cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 12 hours ago, Dave_Og said: I just can't have it that it would be as much to celebrate if we won something with a foreign coach. Defeats the point of international competition for me, or at least diminishes it significantly. I’d take the leader of ISIS if he delivered a World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 (edited) 14 hours ago, Dave_Og said: They're clearly not good enough. Two major trophies won by English managers in 30 years. One of those was Joe Royle with Everton in 1995! Actually it's 4 Joe Royle FA cup 1995 Roy Evans League cup 1995 Steve Mclaren League cup 2004 Harry Redknapp FA Cup 2008. But yeah you are right we haven't produced a top class manager in well over a generation. Edited July 20 by GlossopLatic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 5 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: Actually it's 4 Joe Royle FA cup 1995 Roy Evans League cup 1995 Steve Mclaren League cup 2004 Harry Redknapp FA Cup 2008. But yeah you are right we haven't produced a top class manager in well over a generation. Skewed by the fact there's almost an obsession to give the top jobs to foreign coaches in the richest League in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 10 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Skewed by the fact there's almost an obsession to give the top jobs to foreign coaches in the richest League in the world. Yes, but is that because we don't produce many? Egg/chicken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 46 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Yes, but is that because we don't produce many? Egg/chicken How can u say that? If they never get a chance how do you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 6 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: Actually it's 4 Joe Royle FA cup 1995 Roy Evans League cup 1995 Steve Mclaren League cup 2004 Harry Redknapp FA Cup 2008. But yeah you are right we haven't produced a top class manager in well over a generation. Potter got Brighton competing with the elite, Eddie Howe is doing OK at Newcastle. Clubs want instant success these days so tend to go with the big names….I’m sure there are potential top managers around if they were to be given the chance!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 9 minutes ago, latics22 said: How can u say that? If they never get a chance how do you know Potter and Lampard both got given the chance at Chelsea it worked out for neither. Steven Gerrard was given a chance at Villa too and struggled there, they are better off now under Emry. We don't produce many top coaches that's the bottom line of it. That said I think Potter was a little unlucky at Chelsea as it appears to be abit messy and as he's available I'd like to see him given the England gig. But his record isn't all that certainly not one of an elite level coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 8 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: Potter got Brighton competing with the elite, Eddie Howe is doing OK at Newcastle. Clubs want instant success these days so tend to go with the big names….I’m sure there are potential top managers around if they were to be given the chance!! They aren't being given the chance for a reason we just don't produce enough of them. That said it will be interesting to see how Keiran Mckenna does in the PL next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 I wouldn't in any way try to question the achievements of Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, and further back Wenger. But at the same time, they landed jobs with some of the richest clubs in the country. Of course a manager still has to produce results and managing a squad of 20+ millionaires can't be easy. But I often wonder how these guys would get on if they did somehow find themselves managing lower down the pyramid. In the extremely unlikely event that City get relegated for rule breaches and the even more unlikely event that Pep stays to help them climb back (and even then they'd still have all the money in the world to throw at the problem) we might get an idea. This is why Clough's achievements as a manager were so remarkable - he took two unglamorous, small town teams and raised each to be among the best in Europe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 49 minutes ago, latics22 said: How can u say that? If they never get a chance how do you know That's kind of what I meant. But can you name half a dozen English coaches in the last decade that really deserved a crack with a top club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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