Only Blue Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 43 minutes ago, doctor evil said: It might not outweigh other factors, but you can't dismiss the possibility it has improved the national sides just because you don't like the idea. I don't think Dave_Og dismissed it as such but what he did do is actually pinpoint the reasons for the improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerlinBlue Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 The impact of the EFL on England's EURO 2024 squad: https://www.efl.com/news/2024/june/15/england-s-euro-2024-squad---a-look-at-the-efl-numbers/ A mix of League Cup, EFL Trophy, Loans, and simply career progression. Seems as though the EFL Trophy gave many of the players their "senior debut". To be honest, did not expect that many players to have made an appearance in the comp, but they have. Cole Palmer made three EFL trophy appearances, so highly doubt this really made much of a difference. Then you have Marc Guehi, who made seven appearances before he went on loan to Swansea for a season and a half. When he made nearly 59 appearances for them. So it could've helped him secure that next step. The improvement of the England team has also coincided with the development of St George's Park, and better coaching, different philosophy etc. So I personally believe this has more relevance. At the end of the day, the EFL Trophy and now this competition is basically saying our club is equal to that of an U23 team. If you are happy with that, so be it. I doubt the football league/national league would unanimously vote to allow "b teams" to compete directly in the league, but these competitions leave me feeling as though this is the end goal of the PL. I guess it is up to if you think that is good for football and the English pyramid system. Personally, I do not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 10 hours ago, deyres42 said: Number of finals reached by England senior sides before U21/3 teams entered the Football League Trophy = 0 Number of finals reached by England senior sides since U21/3 teams entered the Football League Trophy -4. By “senior sides” most people would understand the England first XI, as opposed to the junior age teams. Ergo, the answer to your first question should maybe be 1, and the answer to your second question, 2. The recent success of the senior team on the world stage can be attributed to a number of factors, albeit a question remains as to why the actual trophy wins at junior level are yet to be repeated at senior level. What cannot be denied is that anyone arguing that allowing PL U21 teams to compete against lower league sides in knockout comps is a contributory factor to the improved performances of the senior England team needs their head examined. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 13 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Not sure that would pass the causation/correlation test. I’m not sure it would pass any test of rational thinking that could be devised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Tag team trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 4 hours ago, nzlatic said: Tag team trolling. You can tell we are winning games the trolls are bored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 9 hours ago, Worcester Owl said: By “senior sides” most people would understand the England first XI, as opposed to the junior age teams. Ergo, the answer to your first question should maybe be 1, and the answer to your second question, 2. The recent success of the senior team on the world stage can be attributed to a number of factors, albeit a question remains as to why the actual trophy wins at junior level are yet to be repeated at senior level. What cannot be denied is that anyone arguing that allowing PL U21 teams to compete against lower league sides in knockout comps is a contributory factor to the improved performances of the senior England team needs their head examined. Er, I think you are forgetting the fantastic recent successes of the women's senior team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 15 hours ago, Worcester Owl said: By “senior sides” most people would understand the England first XI, as opposed to the junior age teams. Ergo, the answer to your first question should maybe be 1, and the answer to your second question, 2. The recent success of the senior team on the world stage can be attributed to a number of factors, albeit a question remains as to why the actual trophy wins at junior level are yet to be repeated at senior level. What cannot be denied is that anyone arguing that allowing PL U21 teams to compete against lower league sides in knockout comps is a contributory factor to the improved performances of the senior England team needs their head examined. There's always been former non league players in the England team like Jamie Vardy and Chris Waddle so if they have the ability and desire they can come from any background. Edited September 28 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Rules clarified in today's non league paper. NL clubs have to start 4 players who played in the previous league match league or in the next match. So what team would you pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 21 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Rules clarified in today's non league paper. NL clubs have to start 4 players who played in the previous league match league or in the next match. So what team would you pick? Worst 4 players from previous match plus 7 others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 I was listening to the Ebbsfleet manager’s post match presser. It highlighted to ne how much of a hindrance to smaller squads this will be, as they greedily ate up the bit of pocket change on offer. Two more injuries last night means he’s forced to play basically the majority of his first team when they play West Brom kids this week. Four+ matches like this on a lot of the teams may just contribute to the fine margins when we’re facing more tired teams later in in the campaign. I couldn’t help noticing how much fitter we looked against that rabble last night. Could be the way our board are viewing this competition, expecting it won’t affect us as soon as we go up anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradKnowles1 Posted Sunday at 02:30 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:30 PM 2 hours ago, Bobledgersheart said: Worst 4 players from previous match plus 7 others. Surely Khan Gardner Garner and Hobson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted Sunday at 02:37 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:37 PM 5 minutes ago, BradKnowles1 said: Surely Khan Gardner Garner and Hobson I wouldn't risk Gardner, we are going to need him down the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted Sunday at 02:48 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:48 PM 2 hours ago, BP1960 said: Rules clarified in today's non league paper. NL clubs have to start 4 players who played in the previous league match league or in the next match. So what team would you pick? Moloney, Sutton, Raglan, Hobson, Doro, Gardner, Moore, Hammond, Dolan, Kay, Garner Hobson, Gardner & Garner played at Ebbsfleet, Raglan will play against Solihull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted Sunday at 03:23 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:23 PM 34 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Moloney, Sutton, Raglan, Hobson, Doro, Gardner, Moore, Hammond, Dolan, Kay, Garner Hobson, Gardner & Garner played at Ebbsfleet, Raglan will play against Solihull Charsley might be in contention for a run out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted Sunday at 04:02 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:02 PM (edited) Maloney Moore Sutton Raglan Doro Hammond Gardner Charsley Uchegbulam Stretton Garner Subs Butterworth Shitpeas Lemsagam Corney Blitz Edited Sunday at 04:03 PM by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Banks, Zone 3 Posted Sunday at 04:09 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:09 PM 4 hours ago, BP1960 said: Rules clarified in today's non league paper. NL clubs have to start 4 players who played in the previous league match league or in the next match. So what team would you pick? I'd just pick all the youth team and sod the rules, what are they going to do to us? Kick us out of the competition?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted Sunday at 04:23 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:23 PM 1 hour ago, TheBigDog said: Moloney, Sutton, Raglan, Hobson, Doro, Gardner, Moore, Hammond, Dolan, Kay, Garner Hobson, Gardner & Garner played at Ebbsfleet, Raglan will play against Solihull 56 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Charsley might be in contention for a run out? Charsley maybe but probably still a week or two away - but if you add Stretton and Uchegbulam to the eleven we’ve got it covered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted Sunday at 04:48 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:48 PM 23 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Charsley maybe but probably still a week or two away - but if you add Stretton and Uchegbulam to the eleven we’ve got it covered Charsley travelled with the squad and took part in the warm ups, and MM said he was now fit. I wouldn’t risk him for this competition personally, as he’d be straight back in the 11 next Saturday for me. I can understand the argument to get him some minutes but not for me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted Sunday at 05:01 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:01 PM 12 minutes ago, daniel said: Charsley travelled with the squad and took part in the warm ups, and MM said he was now fit. I wouldn’t risk him for this competition personally, as he’d be straight back in the 11 next Saturday for me. I can understand the argument to get him some minutes but not for me. Who gets dropped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted Sunday at 05:06 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:06 PM 2 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Who gets dropped? Khan. Charsley is 1 of the 1st on the team sheet for me. I can make a case for him being our best player so far this season, along with the likes of Raglan, Monthe and Fondop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted Sunday at 05:11 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:11 PM 5 minutes ago, daniel said: Khan. Charsley is 1 of the 1st on the team sheet for me. I can make a case for him being our best player so far this season, along with the likes of Raglan, Monthe and Fondop. Yep Conlon, Charsley and Lundstram isn't half bad for a midfield. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel latic Posted Monday at 09:05 AM Share Posted Monday at 09:05 AM 15 hours ago, daniel said: Khan. Charsley is 1 of the 1st on the team sheet for me. I can make a case for him being our best player so far this season, along with the likes of Raglan, Monthe and Fondop. Great news about Charsley, agree he was one of our best and most important players before the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted Monday at 11:03 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:03 AM 18 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Who gets dropped? In his position it would be Khan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted Monday at 11:42 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:42 AM As Norwood was sub on Saturday I wonder if he's one of the 4 who will start against Stoke21s tomorrow alongside Stretton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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